Mr. Ball.

And you did not see that two-wheel truck?

Mr. Mooney.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You did not see the Dr. Pepper bottle?

Mr. Mooney.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't see a paper sack anywhere near a two-wheel truck or a Dr. Pepper bottle?

Mr. Mooney.

No, sir; in my running around up there, I didn't observe it. Possibly it was there. I am sure it was But I didn't check it.

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Mooney.

Sir?

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stay up on the sixth floor? After you found the location of the three cartridges?

Mr. Mooney.

Well, I stayed up there not over 15 or 20 minutes longer--after Captain Will Fritz and his officers came over there, Captain Fritz picked up the cartridges, began to examine them, of course I left that particular area. By that time there was a number of officers up there. The floor was covered with officers. And we were searching, trying to find the weapon at that time.

Mr. Ball.

Were you there when it was found?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir. I was searching under these books and between them and up on the ledges and the joists, we was just looking everywhere. And I was about 10 or 15 steps at the most from Officer Boone when he hollered, "Here is the gun."

Mr. Ball.

Did you go over there?

Mr. Mooney.

I stepped over there.

Mr. Ball.

What did you see?

Mr. Mooney.

I had to look twice before I actually saw the gun laying in there. I had to get around to the right angle before I could see it. And there the gun lay, stuck between these cartons in an upright position. The scope was up.

Mr. Ball.

Well, now, will show you a picture, 514.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 514, for identification.)

Senator Cooper.

May I ask---did you change the position of the shells which you have identified?

Mr. Mooney.

No, sir; I didn't have my hands on them.

Senator Cooper.

Or the bag, or chicken leg?

Mr. Mooney.

No, sir.

Senator Cooper.

Until--before the chief came?

Mr. Mooney.

Captain Will Fritz; yes, sir; he is the chief.

Senator Cooper.

Was there any odor in the area when you first got there?

Mr. Mooney.

I didn't particularly notice any. Now, there could have been a slight powder odor there.
(At this point, Mr. Warren entered the hearing room.)

Senator Cooper.

Did you smell any powder?

Mr. Mooney.

No, sir; not to my knowledge. Of course it was musty odor, with all those cartons and books there.

Mr. Ball.

Do you see the picture which is 514? Does it look like anything like that?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir; with the exception there was more cartons around it than that. In other words, the way it looked to me, when I walked over there of course these may have been disturbed at a later date.

Mr. Ball.

It looks like there are more cartons?

Mr. Mooney.

No; there is less cartons around it right now. Of course that is looking straight down. Now, there are some more boxes here.

Mr. Ball.

I show you a picture which we will mark as 515.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 515 for identification.)

Mr. Mooney.

But that is in the position the gun was laying.

Mr. Ball.

That is about the position of the gun?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir.