Mr. Baker.

The Book Depository Building.

Mr. Belin.

Go on.

Representative Boggs.

You were parked right in front of the Building?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; ran right straight to it.

Representative Boggs.

Right.
Let me ask you a question. How far away, approximately, were these people who were running and falling and so forth from the entrance to the Building?

Mr. Baker.

Well, now, let me say this. From this position here.

Mr. Belin.

That is position "B" on Exhibit 361?

Mr. Baker.

There were people running all over this here.

Mr. Belin.

And you are pointing to the street and the parkway all in front of the School Building?

Mr. Baker.

You see, it looked to me like there were maybe 500 or 600 people in this area here.

Representative Boggs.

Yes.

Mr. Baker.

As those shots rang out, why they started running, you know, every direction, just trying to get back out of the way.

Mr. Dulles.

For the record, by this area right here, you have that little peninsula between the Elm Street extension and the Building?

Mr. Baker.

That is right. This little street runs down in front of the building down here to the property of the railroad tracks and this is all a parkway.

Mr. Dulles.

Yes. I just wanted to get it for the record.

Mr. Belin.

You then ran into the Building, is that correct?

Mr. Baker.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did you see and what did you do as you ran into the building?

Mr. Baker.

As I entered this building, there was, it seems to me like there was outside doors and then there is a little lobby.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

And then there are some inner doors and another door you have to go through, a swinging door type.
As I entered this lobby there were people going in as I entered. And I asked, I just spoke out and asked where the stairs or elevator was, and this man, Mr. Truly, spoke up and says, it seems to me like he says, "I am a building manager. Follow me, officer, and I will show you." So we immediately went out through the second set of doors, and we ran into the swinging door.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Now, during the course of running into the swinging door, did you bump into the back of Mr. Truly?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Belin.

Then what happened?

Mr. Baker.

We finally backed up and got through that little swinging door there and we kind of all ran, not real fast but, you know, a good trot, to the back of the Building, I was following him.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Then what did you do?

Mr. Baker.

We went to the northwest corner, we was kind of on the, I would say, the southeast corner of the Building there where we entered it, and we went across it to the northwest corner which is in the rear, back there.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

And he was trying to get that service elevator down there.

Mr. Belin.

All right. What did you see Mr. Truly do?

Mr. Baker.

He ran over there and pushed the button to get it down.

Mr. Belin.

Did the elevator come down after he pushed the button?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; it didn't.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did he do?

Mr. Baker.

He hollered for it, said, "Bring that elevator down here."

Mr. Belin.

How many times did he holler, to the best of your recollection?

Mr. Baker.

It seemed like he did it twice.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Then what did he do?

Mr. Baker.

I said let's take the stairs.