Mr. Baker.

As I got, like I say as I got straightened up there, I was, I don't know when these shots started coming off, I just--it seemed to me like they were high, and I just happened to look right straight up---

Mr. Dulles.

I wonder if you would just tell us on that chart and I will try to follow with the record where you were at this time, you were coming down Houston.

Mr. Belin.

Sir, if you can--I plan to get that actual chart in a minute. If we could----

Mr. Dulles.

I want to see where he was vis-a-vis the building on the chart there.

Mr. Baker.

This is Main Street and this is Houston. This is the corner that I am speaking of; I made the right turn here. The motorcade and all, as I was here turning the front car was turning up here, and as I got somewhere about right here----

Mr. Dulles.

That is halfway down the first block.

Mr. Belin.

No, sir; can I interrupt you for a minute?

Mr. Dulles.

Certainly.

Mr. Belin.

Officer Baker, when we were in Dallas on March 20, Friday, you walked over with me and showed me about the point you thought your motorcycle was when you heard the first shot, do you remember doing that?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

And then we paced this off measuring it from a distance which could be described as the north curbline of Main Street as extended?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; that would be this one right across here.

Mr. Belin.

And we paced it off as to where you thought your motorcycle was when you heard the first shot and do you remember offhand about where you said this was as to what distance it was, north of the north curbline of Main Street?

Mr. Baker.

We approximated it was 60 to 80 feet there, north of the north curbline of Main on Houston.

Mr. Dulles.

Thank you.

Mr. Belin.

Does that answer your question?

Mr. Dulles.

That answers my question entirely.

Mr. Belin.

In any event you heard the first shot, or when you heard this noise did you believe it was a shot or did you believe it was something else?

Mr. Baker.

It hit me all at once that it was a rifle shot because I had just got back from deer hunting and I had heard them pop over there for about a week.

Mr. Belin.

What kind of a weapon did it sound like it was coming from?

Mr. Baker.

It sounded to me like it was a high-powered rifle.

Mr. Belin.

All right. When you heard the first shot or the first noise, what did you do and what did you see?

Mr. Baker.

Well, to me, it sounded high and I immediately kind of looked up, and I had a feeling that it came from the building, either right in front of me or of the one across to the right of it.

Mr. Belin.

What would the building right in front of you be?

Mr. Baker.

It would be this Book Depository Building.

Mr. Belin.

That would be the building located on what corner of Houston and Elm?

Mr. Baker.

That would be the northwest corner.

Mr. Belin.

All right. And you thought it was either from that building or the building located where?

Mr. Baker.

On the northeast corner.

Mr. Belin.

All right. Did you see or hear or do anything else after you heard the first noise?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. As I was looking up, all these pigeons began to fly up to the top of the buildings here and I saw those come up and start flying around.

Mr. Belin.

From what building, if you know, do you think those pigeons came from?

Mr. Baker.

I wasn't sure, but I am pretty sure they came from the building right on the northwest corner.