Mr. Belin.

When you got to the fifth floor, as I understand it, the west elevator was not there, but when you started up from the first floor, you thought it was on the fifth floor.

Mr. Truly.

No. When I came down from the second floor---from the seventh floor with the officer, I thought I saw Jack Dougherty on the fifth floor, which he would have had plenty of time to move the elevator down and up and get some stock and come back.

Mr. Belin.

But when you got to the fifth floor that west elevator was not there?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Was it on any floor below the fifth floor?

Mr. Truly.

I didn't look.

Mr. Belin.

As you were climbing up the floors, you did not see it?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

And if it wasn't on the fifth floor when you got there, it could have been on the sixth or seventh, I assume.

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; I don't believe so, because I think I would have heard or seen it coming downstairs when I got on the fifth floor elevator, on the east side.

Mr. Belin.

Well, suppose it was just stopped on the sixth floor when you got on the fifth floor elevator. Would you have seen it then?

Mr. Truly.

I think so, yes, sir. As we started up from the fifth floor, you could see the top of it at an angle.

Mr. Belin.

Were you looking in that direction as you rode up on the fifth floor, or were you facing the east?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir. I don't know which way I was looking. I was only intent on getting to the seventh floor.

Mr. Belin.

So you cannot say when you passed the sixth floor whether or not an elevator was there?

Mr. Truly.

I cannot.

Mr. Belin.

When you got to the seventh floor, you got out of the east elevator.

Was the west elevator on the seventh floor?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Are you sure it was not on the seventh floor?

Mr. Truly.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you hear the west elevator running at any time when you were riding the elevator from the fifth to the seventh?

Mr. Truly.

I was not aware of it.

Mr. Belin.

All right. I have no further questions.

The Chairman.

Any other questions?

Representative Ford.

How many employees do you have in the building on the corner of Houston and Elm?

Mr. Truly.

I cannot tell you the figures, the total number of the office and all employees. We had about 15, I think. We had 19-warehouse and order-filler boys in both warehouses, and there are only four or five down at the other place. I think we had 15 men working in our warehouse at Houston and Elm on that day.

Representative Ford.

On November 22d.

Mr. Dulles.

Would all of them normally have had access to the sixth floor, or might have gone to the sixth floor?

Mr. Truly.

Possibly any--possibly so. We have one man that checks. He hardly fills any orders. And we have one or two that write up freight. But any of the order-fillers there might be a possibility--there might be a possibility they might need something off the sixth floor.

Representative Ford.

When you noticed the police assembling the employees after the assassination, what prompted you to think that Oswald was not among them?

Mr. Truly.

I have asked myself that many times. I cannot give an answer. Unless it was the fact that I knew he was on the second floor, I had seen him 10 or 15 minutes, or whatever it was, before that. That might have brought that boy's name to my mind--because I was looking over there and he was the only one I missed at that time that I could think of. Subconsciously it