Mr. Belin.

you have related about the running into the building and up the stairs with this officer, is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

And as a matter of fact you and Officer Baker and I tried to reconstruct the incident in an effort to determine how long it took you to do all this, is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

And do you remember watching me getting over with Officer Baker in front of the sheriff's office on Market Street--pardon me Houston Street, with a stopwatch?

Mr. Truly.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

And then you saw Officer Baker race his motorcycle over and come in front of the building, and then you ran in with him, is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

And then what is the fact as to whether or not you and Officer Baker and I recreated the incident as you have testified to here, going into the lobby with the conversation you had with Officer Baker, and running into that swinging door, and going back to the elevator and pushing the elevator button, and then calling or yelling twice for the elevator to come down, and then coming up the stairs to the second floor. Do you remember that?

Mr. Truly.

I remember that.

Mr. Belin.

When we recreated that incident, did we walk or run?

Mr. Truly.

We walked. We trotted.

Mr. Belin.

We trotted.
Did we get out of breath, do you remember?.

Mr. Truly.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Did we go at about the speed that you feel you went on that day with Officer Baker?

Mr. Truly.

I think so--which was a little more than a trot, I would say.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember offhand what the stopwatch timed us at--I think we did it twice, is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir--not from the time that he got on his motorcycle, I don't remember.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Truly.

But I was thinking it was somewheres under 2 minutes. Between a minute and a half and 2 minutes.

Mr. Belin.

Officer Baker, I think, will be able to testify to that in the morning.

Representative Ford.

But in reconstructing the incident, you went more or less at a similar pace, took about the same time you did on November 22d?

Mr. Truly.

As far as I can tell; yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

You ran at about the same speed, do you believe?

Mr. Truly.

Yes; I believe so.
We tried to--we had a few people we had to push our way through to start in the building the other time, and possibly didn't run quite so fast at first.

Mr. Belin.

Would you say that again?

Mr. Truly.

I said when the officer and I ran in, we were shouldering people aside in front of the building, so-we possibly were slowed a little bit more coming in than we were when he and I came in March 20th. I don't believe so. But it wouldn't be enough to matter there.

Mr. Belin.

Would you say that the reconstruction that we did on March 20th was a minimum or a maximum time?

Mr. Truly.

Oh, I would say that would be the minimum time.

Mr. Belin.

Mr. Truly, when you took the elevator to the fifth--from the fifth to the seventh floor, that east elevator did you see the west elevator at all as you passed the sixth floor, when you got to the seventh floor?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; because I could not see the west elevator while operating the east elevator.

Mr. Belin.

You mean because you were not looking at it, or you just couldn't see it?

Mr. Truly.

Well, the back of the east elevator is solid metal, and if I passed--yes; I could. I beg your pardon.