Mr. Belin.

Fourth floor?

Mr. Truly.

No, I am sure not.

Mr. Belin.

What about the fifth floor?

Mr. Truly.

When we reached the fifth floor, the east elevator was on that floor.

Mr. Belin.

What about the west elevator? Was that on the fifth floor?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir. I am sure it wasn't, or I could not have seen the east elevator.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Truly.

I am almost positive that it wasn't there.

Mr. Dulles.

You said you released the elevator and let it go down?

Mr. Truly.

No; the east elevator was the one on the fifth floor.

Mr. Belin.

Now, Exhibit 487 appears to be a diagram of the fifth floor. As I understand it, you might mark on that diagram the way you went from the stairs over to the east elevator.

Mr. Truly.

Well, I started around towards the stairway, and then I noted that this east elevator was there. So I told the officer, "Come on, here is an elevator," and then we ran down to the east side, and got on the east elevator.

Mr. Belin.

Could you put the letter "T" at the end of that line, please?
All right.
Now, where did you go with the east elevator, to what floor?

Mr. Truly.

We rode the east elevator to the seventh floor.

Mr. Belin.

Did you stop at the sixth floor at all?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do when you got to the seventh floor?

Mr. Truly.

We ran up a little stairway that leads out through a little penthouse on to the roof.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do on the roof?

Mr. Truly.

We ran immediately to the west side of the building. There is a wall around the building that you cannot see over without getting your foot between the mortar of the stones and, or some such toehold. We did that and looked over the ground and the railroad tracks below. There we saw many officers and a lot of spectators, people running up and down.

Mr. Belin.

Did the officer say to you why he wanted to go up to the roof?

Mr. Truly.

No. At that time, he didn't.

Mr. Belin.

Did he ever prior to meeting you again on March 20th tell you why he wanted to go on the roof?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Where did you think the shots came from?

Mr. Truly.

I thought the shots came from the vicinity of the railroad or the WPA project, behind the WPA project west of the building.

Mr. Belin.

Did you have any conversation with the officer that you can remember? About where you thought the shots came from?

Mr. Truly.

Yes. When--some time in the course, I believe, after we reached the roof, the officer looked down over the boxcars and the railroad tracks and the crowd below. Then he looked around the edge of the roof for any evidence of anybody being there. And then looked up at the runways and the big sign on the-roof.
He saw nothing.
He came over. And some time about then I said, "Officer, I think"--let's back up.
I believe the officer told me as we walked down into the seventh floor, "Be careful, this man will blow your head off."
And I told the officer that I didn't feel like the shots came from the building.
I said, "I think we are wasting our time up here," or words to that effect, "I don't believe these shots came from the building."

Mr. Belin.

Did he say anything to that at all?

Mr. Truly.

I don't recall exactly what he said. I believe he said, yes, or somebody said they did, or some such thing as that. I don't remember. I have heard so many things since, you know.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Now, Mr. Truly, on March 20th, you and I visited about this particular incident