Mr. Ball.

You say Bonnie Ray Williams?

Mr. Jarman.

Bonnie Ray Williams.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember him going with you?

Mr. Jarman.

No; I am sorry. Excuse me, but it was Harold Norman and myself and Daniel Arce.

Mr. Ball.

What about Billy Lovelady?

Mr. Jarman.

I didn't go out with them. They came out later.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Billy Lovelady out there?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where was he?

Mr. Jarman.

Standing on the stairway as you go out the front door.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you stand?

Mr. Jarman.

I was standing over to the right in front of the building going toward the west.

Mr. Ball.

Were you on the sidewalk or curb?

Mr. Jarman.

On the sidewalk.

Mr. Ball.

The sidewalk in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stand there?

Mr. Jarman.

Well, until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25.

Mr. Ball.

Who do you remember was standing near you that worked with you in the Book Depository?

Mr. Jarman.

Harold Norman and Charles Givens and Daniel Arce.

Mr. Ball.

What about Mr. Truly?

Mr. Jarman.

He wasn't standing close to me.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see him?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Who was he with?

Mr. Jarman.

He was with the Vice President of the company.

Mr. Ball.

What is his name?

Mr. Jarman.

O. V. Campbell.

Mr. Ball.

Where were they standing?

Mr. Jarman.

They were standing at the corner of the building in front of the mail boxes.

Mr. Ball.

You left there, didn't you, and went some place?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

With whom?

Mr. Jarman.

Harold Norman and myself.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go?

Mr. Jarman.

We went around to the back of the building up to the fifth floor.

Mr. Ball.

You say you went around. You mean you went around the building?

Mr. Jarman.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't go through and cross the first floor?

Mr. Jarman.

No, sir; there was too many people standing on the stairway so we decided to go around.

Mr. Ball.

You went in the back door?

Mr. Jarman.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

That would be the north entrance to the building, wouldn't it?

Mr. Jarman.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take an elevator or the stairs?

Mr. Jarman.

We took the elevator.

Mr. Ball.

Which elevator?

Mr. Jarman.

The west side elevator.

Mr. Ball.

That is the one you use a punch button on, isn't it?

Mr. Jarman.

Right

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go?

Mr. Jarman.

To the fifth floor.

Mr. Ball.

Why did you go to the fifth floor?

Mr. Jarman.

We just decided to go to the fifth floor.