Mrs. Paine.

Now as I say, this I didn't go on to say. This was my feeling.
I didn't actually go on to say this. I did say, "Don't be inhibited, do what you think you should." But I was thinking in terms of passing pamphlets or expressing a belief in Fidel Castro, if that is why he had, I defend his right to express such a belief. I felt the FBI would too and that he had no reason to be irritated. But then that was my interpretation.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you given all of what he said and what you said, however, on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. I will just go on to say that I learned only a few weeks ago that he never did go into the FBI office. Of course knowing, thinking that he had gone in, I thought that was sensible on his part. But it appears to have been another lie.

Mr. Jenner.

I will return to that FBI visit in a moment. I want to cover that as a separate subject.
Representative Ford is interested in another subject. I would like to return to the day or the period that your station wagon was being parked just before you took off. You have already testified to the fact, either earlier this afternoon or late this morning, that Lee Harvey Oswald appeared to be quite active in doing packing.

Mrs. Paine.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Of household wares or goods that were being taken back to Irving, Tex. Were you present when the station wagon was loaded with the various materials?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes, I was present for most if not all of that.

Mr. Jenner.

Who did that?

Mrs. Paine.

He put the things in. I knew that we would spend one night on the road, that there were certain things we would have to get too, and I knew where these were, and he didn't, so that I talked about where these things should be placed, and helped with some of the binding, tying things to the boat on the car rack.

Mr. Jenner.

The boat on top of the station wagon?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now would you please tell us what there was in the way of luggage placed in the station wagon?

Mrs. Paine.

There again the two large duffels which were heavier than I could move, he put those in.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe their appearance, please.

Mrs. Paine.

Again stuffed full, a rumply outside.

Mr. Jenner.

With what?

Mrs. Paine.

Rumply.

Mr. Jenner.

Rumply? No appearance of any hard object pushing outwards?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Against the sides or ends of the duffel bags?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

You saw nothing with respect to those duffel bags which might have led you to believe--

Mrs. Paine.

A board in it, no.

Mr. Jenner.

A tent pole, a long object, hard?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Nothing at all?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

And how many pieces of luggage?

Mrs. Paine.

Again these same suitcases, 2 or 3, I think 3 including quite a small one, and the little radio.

Mr. Jenner.

What about the zipper bag?

Mrs. Paine.

That was there. I think so. Oh no, it probably wasn't. I don't recall the zipper bag as being part of that.

Mr. Jenner.

I wish you would reflect a little on this because it is important, Mrs. Paine, if you can remember it as accurately as possible.

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall the zipper bag among those things.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall the zipper bag when you arrived in Irving?