Mr. Ball.

I have an exhibit here marked 484.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 484 for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

Do you recognize that?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; I recognize that.

Mr. Ball.

What do you see?

Mr. Williams.

I see a two-wheeler, a Dr. Pepper bottle, and some boxes in the windows.

Mr. Ball.

And is that anywhere near where you were sitting?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; that is the exact place I was sitting.

Mr. Ball.

That is the two-wheeler you were sitting on?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, when you were on the two-wheeler, as you were sitting there, did you have a view, could you see down towards the southeast corner?

Mr. Williams.

No, sir; I couldn't see anything as I remember there. About the only thing that I could see from there would be just the top edge of the window, because the boxes were stacked up.

Mr. Ball.

The boxes were stacked up high?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Let me show you another picture here.

Mr. Dulles.

You are not introducing that at this time?

Mr. Ball.

I will. I am going to introduce them all.
Let's go back to the diagram, which is 483. Could you mark on this diagram the window that is shown in this picture 484 that is, the place where you were sitting and eating your lunch?

Mr. Williams.

That would be facing Elm Street. I would say right around in this.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, you are marking here something between--some area between the third and the fourth window.

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You are not able to tell exactly?

Mr. Williams.

No; I am not.

Mr. Ball.

The witness has drawn a red rectangle to show the approximate area which runs from about the center. of the second row of windows from the southeast corner over to about the fourth pane of windows.

Mr. Williams.

I would say about right in here, third or fourth.

Mr. Ball.

Third or fourth?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you have made two marks, so I will identify the last mark.

Between the third and fourth, is that right?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

We will mark the rectangle, and we will mark it "W-3" and "W-4" the end of the lines.

Mr. Mccloy.

What time of day was this, when you were eating your lunch?

Mr. Williams.

About 12.

Mr. Mccloy.

Just 12?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, as you looked towards the southeast corner from where you were sitting, could you see the windows in the southeast corner?

Mr. Williams.

In the southeast--that is--the southeast. I really don't remember if I seen anything-- it would be just the top edge of the window, as I remember.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anyone else up there that day?

Mr. Williams.

No, I did not.

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Williams.

I was there from--5, 10, maybe 12 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

Finish your lunch?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir. No longer than it took me to finish the chicken sandwich.

Mr. Ball.

Did you eat the chicken?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, I did.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you put the bones?