Mr. Williams.

working. As usual, he was walking around with a clipboard in his hands, I believe he was.

Mr. Ball.

That is on the first floor?

Mr. Williams.

Yes. He had a clipboard in his hand.

Mr. Ball.

That is the only time you saw him that morning?

Mr. Williams.

That is the only time I saw him that morning. I saw him again between 11:30 and maybe 10 until 12:00.

Mr. Ball.

We will come to that in a moment. Where did you work that morning?

Mr. Williams.

That morning I worked on the sixth floor. I think we went directly up to the sixth floor and I got there.

Mr. Ball.

And how many were working on the sixth floor with you?

Mr. Williams.

I believe there were five.

Mr. Ball.

What are their names?

Mr. Williams.

Well, Bill Shelley, Charles Givens, and there was a fellow by the name of Danny Arce.

Mr. Ball.

He is a Mexican boy?

Mr. Williams.

Yes. And a fellow by the name of Billy Lovelady, and myself. And there was a fellow that came up--his name was Harold Norman. He really wasn't working at the time, but there wasn't anything to do, he would come around to help a little bit, and then back down.

Mr. Dulles.

Was he in the employ of the company?

Mr. Williams.

Yes; he had been working there at the time about 2 years, I think.

Mr. Dulles.

But he wasn't on this particular detail on the sixth floor that you are speaking of?

Mr. Williams.

Well, he had been helping us on the fifth floor. When the orders would come in, he would go down and help with the orders, and when he didn't have anything else to do he would come back and help us move stock around.
I think that was him.

Mr. Ball.

What part of the sixth floor were you working that morning?

Mr. Williams.

On the west side.

Mr. Ball.

Were you moving stock or laying floor that morning?

Mr. Williams.

We were doing both.

Mr. Ball.

You were doing both?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

The west side of the sixth floor--you mean the whole west side, or was there a certain part--northwest or southwest or middle?

Mr. Williams.

I believe it was the whole west side, because we had to go from window to window--from the elevator to the front window facing Elm Street--we were laying the floor parallel.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Oswald on the sixth floor that morning?

Mr. Williams.

I am not sure. I think I saw him once messing around with some cartons or something, back over the east side of the building. But he wasn't in the window that they said he shot the President from. He was more on the east side of the elevator, I think, messing around with cartons, because
he always just messed around, kicking cartons around.

Mr. Ball.

What was his job?

Mr. Williams.

His job was an order filler.

Mr. Ball.

What do you mean by that?

Mr. Williams.

I mean by that an order filler--when orders come in for the State schools mostly, from Austin, he would take the orders and fill the orders.
If the orders called for a certain amount of books, he would fill that order, and turn it in to be checked, to be shipped out.

Mr. Ball.

You say he would fill the order. He would go and get books?

Mr. Williams.

He would get books. As an order filler you had access to all the floors, all seven floors.

Mr. Ball.

And were the cartons that you are talking about containers of books?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, they were.

Mr. Ball.

Would a checker--would an order filler go to the different floors and take books out of canons?