Mrs. Paine.

Nothing of that sort.

Mr. Jenner.

And did you see or observe anything during all of that period of your acquaintance, which stimulated you to think at all or have any notion that any agency of the Government of the United States was seeking to induce her to defect?

Mrs. Paine.

To the United States?

Mr. Jenner.

To the United States.

Mrs. Paine.

No, and her terminology in view of it was so completely different from such stereotyped and loaded words that I was seeing as I read this. What I was most struck with was what kind of man is this.

Mr. Jenner.

Is who?

Mrs. Paine.

Why is Lee Oswald writing this? What kind of man? Here is a false statement that she was invited to defect, false statement that the FBI is no longer interested, false statement that he was present, "they visited I and my wife."

Mr. Jenner.

Was he present?

Mrs. Paine.

He was not present. False statement that "I and my wife protested vigorously." Having not been present he could not protest.

Mr. Jenner.

He was not present when the FBI interviewed you on November 1. Was Marina present then?

Mrs. Paine.

She was present.

Mr. Jenner.

And was Marina present when the FBI came later on November 5?

Mrs. Paine.

She came into the room just after basically the very short visit was concluded.

Mr. Jenner.

The second interview was a rather short one?

Mrs. Paine.

The second interview was conducted standing up. He simply asked me did I know the address. My memory had been refreshed by him since.

Mr. Jenner.

The first interview, however, was a rather lengthly one?

Mrs. Paine.

But it was not strictly speaking an interview.

Mr. Jenner.

What was it?

Mrs. Paine.

It was, as Mr. Hosty has described to me later, and I think this was my impression too of it at the time, an informal opening for confidence. He presented himself. He talked. We conversed about the weather, about Texas, about the end of the last World War and changes in Germany at the time.
He mentioned that the FBI is very careful in their investigations not to bring anyone they suspect in public light until they have evidence to convict him in a proper court of law, that they did not convict by hearsay or public accusation.
He asked me, and here I am answering why I thought it was false to say the FBI is no longer interested in Lee Oswald; he asked first of all if I knew did Lee live there, and I said "No." Did I know where he lived? No, I didn't, but that it was in Dallas.
Did I know where he worked? Yes, I did.
And I said I thought Lee was very worried about losing this job, and the agent said that well, it wasn't their custom to approach the employer directly. I said that Lee would be there on the weekend, so far as I knew, that he could be seen then, if he was interested in talking to Lee.
I want to return now to the fact that I had seen these gross falsehoods and strong words, concluding with "notorious FBI" in this letter, and gone to say I wondered whether any of it was true, including the reference to going to Mexico, including the reference to using a false name, and I still wonder if that was true or false that he used an assumed name, though I no longer wonder whether he had actually gone.

Mr. Jenner.

There was a subsequent incident in which you did learn that he used an assumed name, was there not?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes, a week later.

Mr. Jenner.

We will get to that in a moment. But was this--

Mrs. Paine.

But this was the first indication I had that this man was a good deal queerer than I thought, and it didn't tell me, perhaps it should have but it didn't tell me just what sort of a queer he was. He addressed it "Dear Sirs."