Mr. Jenner.

the early fall of 1963, he was out of work. He was at the home substantially all of that time?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You returned to Irving, then, and you didn't see him until he appeared as you testified this morning, on October 4, 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, he was in your home from October 4, 1963, until what was it--the 15th of October? Is that correct?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

He was not?

Mrs. Paine.

Not at all. He was in the home for the weekend of October 4. I then took him to the bus around noon on the 7th, that is a Monday, to the Intercity Bus between Irving and Dallas. You can't walk to it from my house. There is no way to get anywhere from my house unless you use a car.

Mr. Jenner.

We are interested in that, also, Mrs. Paine, about his ability to get to your home from whatever means of public transportation there was. Would you be good enough to describe the problem in that connection?

Mrs. Paine.

He called on the afternoon of the 4th.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you give us the problems first, the physical problems?

Where was the bus located? What was the bus terminal? How far was it from your home?

Mrs. Paine.

The bus terminal in Irving where you could get a bus going to Dallas was several miles away, 2 to 3 miles away from my home, a 10 minute car ride.

Mr. Jenner.

And what means of transportation was there from the bus terminal to your home?

Mrs. Paine.

Walking?

Mr. Jenner.

Any public transportation.

Mrs. Paine.

There was nothing public.

Mr. Jenner.

You would have to hitchhike or walk or be driven?

Mrs. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it, then, there were occasions when you would have to go and pick him up at the bus terminal?.

Mrs. Paine.

I recall at least one such occasion, and that was on the 12th of October, a Saturday, which was the next time he came out.

Mr. Jenner.

That was the next time following the October 4 weekend?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

When was the first time that you heard, or had any notice of the fact that this man had been in Mexico, or possibly may have been in Mexico?

Mrs. Paine.

They are two different questions. I will answer the first one. I heard that he had been in Mexico after the assassination in one of the papers.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that the first time?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; that was the first time. Looking back then, with that knowledge, I could see that I might have guessed this from two other things, that had happened.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, give us them in sequence, please.

Mrs. Paine.

One was, I can describe by an incident that took place at our home, I am not certain which weekend, one of the times that Lee was out. He wanted to drill a hole in a silver coin for Marina so she could wear it around her neck, and presumed to use my husband's drill press, which is one of the many things in the garage, and I complained. But he convinced me that he knew how to operate it and knew just what he was doing.
So I said, all right, and he proceeded to drill a hole in this coin, and then Marina showed it to me later. I didn't look closely at it. It wasn't until--although I could have perfectly well in this situation. I did see that it was a foreign coin.

Mr. Jenner.

It was a what?

Mrs. Paine.

It was a foreign coin. It was not a coin I recognized. It was about the size of a silver dollar, but not as thick, as I remember it. And it was not then until perhaps a week or something less after the assassination when an, FBI agent asked me was there anything left in the house that would be pertinent, and he and I went together and looked in the drawer in the room