Mr. Redlich.

Did she indicate in connection with this trip of Lee Oswald to Moscow that she herself subsequently went to Moscow while he was there?

Mr. Martin.

No. I think she said he was gone one day or one night and came back the next day.

Mr. Redlich.

So that on the basis of your recollection, if there was a trip in which Lee Oswald went to Moscow and she joined him there this was a different trip from the one you are talking about?

Mr. Martin.

Yes.

Mr. Redlich.

Is that right?

Mr. Martin.

Yes.

Mr. Redlich.

Just to make sure of this you say to the best of your recollection she said he went there for one day and returned?

Mr. Martin.

Yes.

Mr. Redlich.

Can you think of any other aspects of their life in the Soviet Union that Marina discussed with you.

Mr. Martin.

He used to like her aunt. Now, which aunt I don't know. Yes, I do. It is the aunt that is working as a secretary and her husband is on a pension. She has an aunt and an uncle by blood. Now, the aunt's husband is on a pension, and the uncle's--The uncle is a lieutenant colonel in the Soviet Army.

Mr. Redlich.

Now, the aunt and uncle that you say she liked very much, is this the aunt and uncle with whom she was living at the time she met Lee Oswald or is this a different aunt and uncle?

Mr. Martin.

That was all very--always confusing to me because she wouldn't call the spouse of the aunt, for instance, her uncle, and I couldn't tell all the time which party she was talking about.

Mr. Dulles.

These were both relatives to Marina, therefore, they were not married.

Mr. Martin.

Well, no; they were not married to each other.

Mr. Dulles.

That is what I mean, yes.

Mr. Martin.

There were two couples, and the aunt in one couple and the uncle in the other couple. But she didn't refer to the opposite spouse as an aunt and uncle.

Mr. Redlich.

Does the name Berlov refresh your recollection any?

Mr. Martin.

Berlov?

Representative Ford.

Did Marina ever indicate to you anything about her education, what school she attended?

Mr. Martin.

No, just the school of pharmacy, and she compared her grade school or our grade school, which is, I guess similar to our grade school in high school or Junior high, anyway.

Representative Ford.

She only referred to the pharmacy training?

Mr. Martin.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

As any special training she received?

Mr. Martin.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

But she did discuss that with you?

Mr. Martin.

Not at length. Just stated the fact that she had finished pharmacy school.

Representative Ford.

But she didn't discuss any other training or schooling of a special nature.

Mr. Martin.

No.

Representative Ford.

Did she ever discuss any, special training that Lee might have had while he was in Russia?

Mr. Martin.

No.

Representative Ford.

Did she ever discuss Lee's employment while he was in Russia?

Mr. Martin.

Only that he was unhappy where he was working.

Representative Ford.

Did she tell you where he worked, the kind of work he was doing?

Mr. Martin.

I don't know, I have an idea it was in a factory of some kind, whether she told me that or whether it was an assumption, I don't know.

Mr. Redlich.

Did she ever discuss their apartment, their living quarters in Minsk?