Mrs. Paine.

It must have been by phone.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he call you or did you call him?

Mrs. Paine.

He called to the house nearly, every night around 5:30 to talk to Marina. And Marina suggested to him that he wouldn't, shouldn't come out that weekend because I was having a birthday party and it had been a long weekend, the prior weekend. She didn't want him to wear out Iris welcome, and then I said to him he could still try to get--

Mr. Jenner.

You did talk with him on the telephone?

Mrs. Paine.

That is my recollection. I am certain that I talked with him, that he was surprised that he didn't need a car. I had to tell him that he didn't need a car to take with him to take his test.

Mr. Jenner.

Take his initial test?

Mrs. Paine.

Take his test, and suggested that he go from Dallas himself to take this test. Then he called us Saturday afternoon of the 16th to say he had been and tried to get his driver's permit but that he had arrived before closing time but still to late to get in because there was a long line ahead of him, the place having been closed both the previous Saturday for election day and the following Monday, the 11th, Veterans Day. There were a lot of people who wanted to get permits and he was advised that it wouldn't pay him to wait in line. He didn't have time to be tested.

Mr. Jenner.

Could you help us fix, can you recall as closely as possible the day

of the week, this is the weekend of the assassination, was it not?

Mrs. Paine.

The weekend before.

Mr. Jenner.

The weekend before, and this conversation you are now relating that you had with him in which he said that he had gone to the driver's license station, when did that conversation with you take place?

Mrs. Paine.

That conversation was with Marina, and she told me about it.

Mr. Jenner.

When did she tell you about it?

Mrs. Paine.

He called her, it must have been Saturday afternoon, soon after he had been, he went Saturday morning and they closed at noon.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. This was the weekend he did not come out to Irving?

Mrs. Paine.

This was the weekend he did not come out.

Mr. Jenner.

The weekend in which you had your birthday party for your son was it?

Mrs. Paine.

It was either that same afternoon or it was possibly Sunday, I don't recall. It is important though. I wish I could recall when his call to her was. Since it relates to the problem of when I dialed his number.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Chairman, I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 426 a form or document which purports to be a driver's permit or driver's license permit application by Lee Harvey Oswald. It is a one-page form document on heavy board, or at least heavy paper.
Are you familiar sufficiently with the handwriting or handprinting of Lee Harvey Oswald to be able to tell us whether the writing and handprinting on that document is or is not Lee Harvey Oswald's?

Mrs. Paine.

I am not sufficiently familiar. I can simply compare it with m only other thing I have seen in his printing which is what he wrote down in my diary.

Mr. Jenner.

Refreshing your recollection in that respect and looking at the exhibit, if you are able to do so, would you give us your opinion as to whether the exhibit is in the handwriting or handprinting of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

I think it very likely is.

Mr. Jenner.

In your short talk with Lee Harvey Oswald on the subject of his having gone to the license application department in Dallas, was anything said about his actually having filled out a driver's license or a learner's permit application?

Mrs. Paine.

No; nothing.

Mr. Dulles.

Could we have the date of this document?

Mr. Jenner.

If it is dated. My recollection is it is not.

Mrs. Paine.

His birthday is on it only. Picked up at his room on the date of

the assassination. I guess it was picked up, I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

Could I review this with you a little bit? Did Lee Harvey Oswald on this occasion tell you in the course of what limited telephone conversation