Mr. Dulles.

How well did he do on that?

Mr. Mccloy.

That is what she is telling.

Mrs. Paine.

No; that is a separate answer.

Mr. Jenner.

She is talking about the parking lot.

Mrs. Paine.

I was very nervous while he was doing it and was not at all happy about his doing it. I would say he did modestly well; but no means skilled in coming to a stop and turning a square right angle at a corner.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there much traffic?

Mrs. Paine.

No. But then too, I noticed when we got to the parking lot when he attempted to turn in a right angle he made the usual mistake of a beginner of turning too much and then having to correct it. He was not familiar with the delay of the steering wheel in relation to the wheels, actual wheels of the power--

Mr. Jenner.

Was it power--

Mrs. Paine.

It was not power steering. But it has no clutch so that makes it a lot easier to drive.

Mr. Jenner.

It is an automatic transmission?

Mrs. Paine.

It is an automatic transmission.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe your automobile, will you please?

Mrs. Paine.

It is a 1955 Chevrolet station wagon, green, needing paint, which we bought secondhand. It is in my name.

Mr. Mccloy.

But automatic transmission?

Mrs. Paine.

Automatic transmission; yes.
Then, in the later lessons, I think there were altogether three with Lee.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you finished with this lesson on the Sunday morning, was it?

Mrs. Paine.

No; it was a Sunday afternoon and I drove back to the house.

Mr. Jenner.

How long did the lesson take on the parking lot?

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, 20 minutes, perhaps. I will say of him that he set for himself tasks; a good student in the sense that he planned now I am going to back up this way and I am going--one of the problems is to turn around and go the other way on the street. In other words--

Mr. Jenner.

U-turn.

Mrs. Paine.

It is not a U-turn, no. It is a narrower one to head in back up and go the other way and he would set this problem for himself, how to do it, back up and do it, and set the problem of backing up, driving, going back, I mean. And set himself a course. I was doing this, too, but I was interested in the eagerness he had and his desire to achieve; desire to do this and do it well.

In helping himself by setting up these course plans, you could almost say.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.
Would you refresh my recollection of the date this occurred?

Mrs. Paine.

My letter is dated the 14th. I say, "I taught him yesterday, Sunday."

Mr. Jenner.

Fourteenth of October?

Mrs. Paine.

Fourteenth of October. So that would have been--

Mr. Jenner.

That would have been October 7?

Mrs. Paine.

Thirteenth.
Senator COOPER. May I ask a question here?

Mr. Mccloy.

Senator Cooper has a question.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.
Senator COOPER. On the occasion when you drove with him, did you find it necessary to show him how to turn on the ignition?

Mrs. Paine.

No; 1 did not.
Senator COOPER. How to take steps to start the car and put it in motion?

Mrs. Paine.

No. indeed; he had started it before I came out or else he wouldn't have been in the driver's seat because I didn't want him to drive on the street. So he had the car ready to go; backed out with a considerable bump.

Mr. Jenner.

He backed out of the driveway?

Mrs. Paine.

I am recalling this now, I think so. I recall that he then didn't attempt to go, I didn't let him, but at one point we practiced parking on the street in front of my house.