Mr. Jenner.

Having that in mind, we will give that document for identification at the moment only, the number Commission Exhibit No. 425.
I won't identify it beyond that for the moment because the witness will be using it to refresh her recollection.

Mrs. Paine.

I will read what applies here.

Mr. Jenner.

You are now reading from Commission Exhibit No. 425.

Mrs. Paine.

Which is a letter dated October 14, in my hand, from me to my mother.

Mr. Dulles.

Would you give your mother's name?

Mrs. Paine.

Her name is Mrs. Carol Hyde.

Representative Boggs.

Where does she live?

Mrs. Paine.

In Columbus, Ohio. It was likely written to Oberlin, where she was a student at that time.
"If Lee can just find work that will help so much. Meantime I started giving him driving lessons last Sunday (yesterday). If he can drive this will open up more job possibilities and more locations."

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

I want to comment too on the nature of this lesson.

Mr. Jenner.

The Commission will be interested in that but you go ahead.

Mrs. Paine.

Now?

Mr. Jenner.

Go right ahead.

Mrs. Paine.

I knew that he had not even a learner's permit to drive. I wasn't interested in his driving on the street with my car until he had such. But on Sunday the parking lot of a neighboring shopping center was empty, and I am quite certain that is where the driving lesson took place.

Mr. Jenner.

That is your best present recollection?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Now I recall this also, and it is significant. I offered him a lesson and intended to drive him to this area for him to practice. He, however, started the car.

Mr. Jenner.

He got in and started the car?

Mrs. Paine.

He got in and started the car so that I know he was able to do that and wanted to drive on the street to the parking lot.

Mr. Jenner.

He wanted to?

Mrs. Paine.

He wanted to. I said, "My father is an insurance man and he would never forgive me."

Mr. Jenner.

Your father?

Mrs. Paine.

My father. And insisted that he get a learner's permit before he would drive on the street.

Mr. Jenner.

At that moment and at that time he acted, in any event in your presence, as though he himself thought--

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

He would be capable of driving an automobile from your home to the parking area in which you were about to give him a lesson. That was your full impression, was it not?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. I should add that, as I am recalling, he did drive a portion of the way, he drove in fact, it is about three blocks, to the parking lot. I was embarrassed to just tell him "No, don't." But I did, in. effect, on the way there, when he was on the street, driving on the street in my car, when we got there I said, "Now, I am going to drive back." I didn't want him to.

Mr. Jenner.

From your home to the parking lot?

Mrs. Paine.

The first time before we had any lesson at all. And at that time I made it clear I didn't want him to drive in the street. Also, it became clear to me in that lesson that he was very unskilled in driving. We practiced a number of the things you need to know, to back up, to turn, right angle turn to come to a stop.

Mr. Jenner.

Was this on the parking lot?

Mrs. Paine.

This was all on a parking lot.

Mr. Dulles.

Did I understand you to say he drove three blocks, was that all the way to the parking lot? So he drove all the way to the parking lot?

Mrs. Paine.

Perhaps a little longer. But a short distance, whatever it was, to the parking lot, yes. Rather than stopping in midstreet and changing drivers. Going to turn a right angle----