Mrs. Paine.

11th. But I thought it would be too long to do all this in one day, and we accelerated our preparations and left midday on the 10th which got us to Shreveport.

Mr. Jenner.

Before we get into this, and I would like to cover this interim period before any adjournment today; there was a 16-day period now, approximately, maybe we will limit it to 15 days, that Marina stayed with you in your home.

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have conversations with her about her husband?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

About their life in Russia?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, even going so far as to wonder--

Mr. Jenner.

During this 15-day period?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. We had such conversations.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you please relate to us your discussions with Marina with respect to her husband Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, she wondered if he did, in fact, love her.

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say?

Mrs. Paine.

She said she supposed most couples had at some time wondered about this. She wondered herself whether she loved him truly. She talked some of her few months of dating that she had in Minsk, and of living there.

Mr. Jenner.

That is before her marriage to Lee Harvey?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. At some point, and I want to tell you this, whether it is appropriate or whether it happened later in October, I can't be certain, but I think in May she told me that she had written a letter to a previous boyfriend, and that this letter had come back because she had put insufficient postage on it, and Lee had found it at the door coming back through the mail, and had been very angry.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she go beyond that?

Mrs. Paine.

She did not. To tell me what was in the letter, you mean?

Mr. Jenner.

I am not thinking so much within the letter. Did she go beyond stating that he was merely only angry? Was there any discussion about his having struck her?

Mr. Paine.

No; none. No; none. She never mentioned to me ever that Lee had struck her.

Mr. Jenner.

And during all the visits you ever had with her, all the tete-a-tetes, her living with you on this occasion we now describe as 15 1/2 days, and in the fall, was there any occasion when Marina Oswald related to you any abuse, physical abuse, by her husband, Lee Harvey Oswald, with respect to her?

Mrs. Paine.

There was never any such occasion.

Mr. Jenner.

Never any such occasion. And in particular this incident?

Mrs. Paine.

She related this incident, but it did not include anything further than he had been very angry and hurt.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to this time, that is, the time she came to you on the 24th, had you ever seen any bruises--

Mrs. Paine.

No; I never saw her--

Mr. Jenner.

On her person?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I never saw her bruised.

Mr. Jenner.

At no time that you have ever seen her or known her, have you ever seen her bruised?

Mrs. Paine.

At no time.

Mr. Jenner.

So that there has been no occasion when you have seen it, or been led to believe, she had been subjected to any physical abuse by her husband?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any discussion during these 15 days of any occasion when Marina had gone off to live with someone else?

Mrs. Paine.

No. I think she told me that in the fall.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. As long as I have raised that, would you please give us the time and the occasions and tell us what occurred?

Mrs. Paine.

What she told me?

Mr. Jenner.

What she said. When was this?