Mrs. Paine.

The baby things and her clothing and then went to my house.

Mr. Dulles.

I see.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Paine, apart from your rationalization, do you have the recollection that there was any luggage at all in the Oswald home when You got back?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I have no such recollection.

Mr. Jenner.

So that in response to Mr. Dulles' questions when you talked about the possibility of some luggage, you were rationalizing?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

You are not drawing on your recollection?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it your best recollection, in fact, is that there was no luggage remaining at the Oswald home when you got back?

Mrs. Paine.

There was nothing packed when we got back.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall undertaking to pack anything when you got back in order to remove what they had there remaining to your home?

Mrs. Paine.

You mean was there a suitcase into which I could pack anything?

Mr. Jenner.

That is it.

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Now, you have related to us that you went away for the weekend.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

With your husband.

Mrs. Paine.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you have an entry in your diary, and I quote it on the 24th of April, 1963: "Lee and Marina."

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that an entry made after the fact?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I judge that was--

Mr. Jenner.

Now, please give me your best recollection.

Mrs. Paine.

That was the plan to meet, knowing Lee was no longer working; it was there for not only a meeting with Marina, but I expected to see them both at the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

So that is confined to the meeting you expected to have with Lee and Marina that morning when you went there and, to your surprise, you found that Mr. Oswald was all packed to go to New Orleans.

Mrs. Paine.

All packed and looking for a cab; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

How long did Marina remain in your home on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

She stayed then until May 9--well, excuse me, she stayed until the 10th of May.

Mr. Jenner.

You have an entry, do you not, in your diary as to the May 9th or 10th.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Read it.

Mrs. Paine.

It says now going over to the 11th "New Orleans."

Mr. Jenner.

And you have written across then "May 10 and May 11," is that right?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What does the "New Orleans" signify, please?

Mrs. Paine.

Lee called on the evening of the 9th to say he had work.

Mr. Jenner.

You recall that?

Mrs. Paine.

I recall that definitely. Marina says, "Papa naslubet," "Father loves us", "Daddy loves us, he got work and he wanted us to come." She was very elated.

Mr. Jenner.

This is Marina talking to you?

Mrs. Paine.

I could see as she talked on the phone.

Mr. Jenner.

You overheard this conversation?

Mrs. Paine.

Afterward. She said over and over, "Papa naslubet," "Daddy loves us," "Daddy loves us."

Mr. Jenner.

She was elated?

Mrs. Paine.

She was elated and, let's see, we tried to think when we could leave, and first said over the phone that we would leave on the morning of the