Mrs. Paine.

hear that when it was said. So there was no discussion at any time that mentioned guns, nothing brought up by Marina or Lee.

Mr. Jenner.

I will broaden my question. Up to--now up to, and not including, up to November 22, 1963, had there ever been any discussion between you and Lee Harvey Oswald or between you and Marina or any discussion in the Presence of either of them by anybody, including yourself, about the use of a firearm by Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Marina told me that he had been hunting in the Soviet Union.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, please, to the best of your recollection when did that occur?

Mrs. Paine.

When did she tell me?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

It might have been as long ago as May, when she was first staying at my house. She quoted a proverb to the effect that you go hunting in the Soviet Union and you catch a bottle of vodka, so I judge it was a social occasion more than shooting being the prime object.

Mr. Jenner.

That was in this period when she was living with you in the spring of 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

It could have been there. It might have been in October, but I would guess it was in May.

Mr. Jenner.

I wish you would elaborate on that.

Mrs. Paine.

I wish I wouldn't guess, I know.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she say that Lee Harvey Oswald had some kind of a firearm in Russia?

Mrs. Paine.

That he had gone hunting with a group, in other words, in Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

What was the occasion--

Mrs. Paine.

And she quoted this proverb.

Mr. Jenner.

Can you remember the circumstance in which she made that utterance?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Anything that provoked it or brought it about?

Mrs. Paine.

I think she was probably recalling something of their life in Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

In a discussion between you and Marina as to their life in Russia?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Any other occasion in which a discussion occurred between you and either of them or in their presence while you were present on the subject of a firearm prior to November 22?

Mrs. Paine.

On one occasion around the middle of November I said to Marina that--

Mr. Jenner.

Was Lee Harvey Oswald present?

Mrs. Paine.

He was not present.

Mr. Jenner.

Just Marina and you?

Mrs. Paine.

Just Marina and I.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it in your home?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. I said to her that I did not want to buy toy guns for my children, and that this view of things was shared with a German friend of mine who had been a young girl at the time of the last World War in Germany, and she didn't wish to buy guns for her children to play with, and I said too few people think about this. She said nothing in reply.

Mr. Jenner.

She didn't say anything at all in response to that. Does that exhaust your recollection of all discussion of firearms?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; it does.

Mr. Jenner.

That occurred in your presence?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to November 22, 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

Up to, that is right.

Mr. Mccloy.

There was no suggestion of Lee's using a firearm for hunting purposes in the United States?

Mrs. Paine.

None; nor that he might have had any gun.