Mrs. Paine.

Where he would buy a ticket to go to New Orleans, and he said he had not been able to.

Mr. Jenner.

What he said to you is what I am interested in.

Mrs. Paine.

That he said--

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

He said he had not been able to find work in Dallas, around Dallas, and Marina suggested going to New Orleans, which is where he had been born.

Mr. Dulles.

He said she had suggested?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. That is my best recollection.

Mr. Jenner.

Was Marina present now while he is relating this to you?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I think so.

Mr. Jenner.

She was present. Was he speaking in Russian or in English?

Mrs. Paine.

I think he must have been speaking in English when he asked me to take the things to the bus station and explained that he was going to look for work.

Mr. Jenner.

Your best recollection is that this was in English?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall. It could well have been in Russian also. He didn't like to speak English to me. He preferred to speak Russian.

The Chairman.

To you?

Mrs. Paine.

To me; yes.

Representative Ford.

Did he ever indicate why?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

I think you said to me this morning, and please correct me if my recollection is not good, that he always spoke to you in Russian.

Mrs. Paine.

With, perhaps, a couple of rare exceptions, yes, he spoke to me in Russian. When I tried to teach him to drive I tried to explain to him, proceeded to explain to him in English.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, you tried to teach him to do what?

Mrs. Paine.

To drive. This is later.

Mr. Jenner.

Drive, yes.

Mrs. Paine.

But he would answer me in Russian, which is a way of getting the person to go back to Russian. But I couldn't explain driving in Russian, so I did it in English.

Mr. Jenner.

That incident, Mrs. Paine, is very important, and we will get to that at a later stage as to your efforts to teach him to drive.
Going back to this 24th of April, there was here, this was, a complete surprise to you. You arrived at the home and this man was all packed to go to New Orleans.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you had any discussion with Marina about her coming to live with you of which she was aware prior to this occasion on April 24?

Mrs. Paine.

I had discussed with her the possibility of her coming at the time the baby was expected.

Mr. Jenner.

When was the baby expected?

Mrs. Paine.

Mid-October.

Mr. Jenner.

But there had been no discussion up to April 24, to your recollection, even about your inviting Marina to come to live with you?

Mrs. Paine.

You mean on a more permanent basis, other than to stay when the baby was due?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; which would be in the fall of the year.

Mrs. Paine.

That is right. There was none.

Mr. Jenner.

There was no discussion about her coming to live with you in the spring around about this time?

Mrs. Paine.

I remember feeling when I arrived that they were, and probably appropriately, making their own plans, and wondering whether I should have already made this invitation, but I had not.

Mr. Jenner.

You say they were already making their own plans; are you seeking to imply that they had some notion she might join you?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I don't think there was any notion. I am trying to say I recall that I hadn't made that invitation at that time.