Mr. Mccloy.

As I recall it she did say that this was an unusual situation, and that to some extent developed your interest. This is Mr. Dulles, a member of the Commission.
Senator COOPER. Maybe I could put it this way. Perhaps we could read back and find out, but I thought that you intimated or indicated that you were interested in the fact that this man had gone to Russia.

Mrs. Paine.

Perhaps I can answer your question--
Senator COOPER. And it provoked your interest.

Mrs. Paine.

I can answer it this way. I was interested at the party to hear something of what he had to say. I was hopeful when I wrote and inquired if I could see Marina where they lived; and knowing that he would be at work, that I would try to go during the week when I would have a chance simply to talk with her.
Senator COOPER. That night he did say that he did not like the capitalist system?

Mrs. Paine.

That is my best recollection.
Senator COOPER. Were you interested, then, in finding out what it was about it he didn't like?

Mrs. Paine.

No.
Senator COOPER. In reference to his experience in Russia or for any other reason?

Mrs. Paine.

No.
Senator COOPER. You didn't inquire further to have him elaborate on his reasons for not liking the capitalist system?

Mrs. Paine.

No. Of course, it is a rather short space of time we are talking about, perhaps 45 minutes or so or less. People were inquiring of him.

Mr. Jenner.

But others did inquire on these subjects?

Mrs. Paine.

For the most part the other people asked questions, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

On the subject that Senator Cooper has inquired about, is that true.

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Now perhaps to help your recollection a little bit on that, was this roommate of whom you speak named Volkmar Schmidt?

Mrs. Paine.

Volkmar sounds familiar.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall a couple by the name of Richard Pierce, or a gentleman at least by the name of Richard Pierce who attended that meeting?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; that would be the other roommate, not a couple, he was single, Richard Pierce.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there not present a Miss Betty MacDonald?

Mrs. Paine.

Which I had completely forgotten about, yes; there was.

Mr. Jenner.

And you still are unable to recall the name of the other couple?

Mrs. Paine.

I am unable to. Betty MacDonald I do recall lives in the same apartment building as this couple, and it is a long German sort of name, I think.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you become acquainted with Mr. Clover through your husband?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, you might say so. We both became interested in going to madrigal sings at the same time. My interest in madrigals was developed by Michael, but that was before we ever moved to Texas.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you teaching Russian at this time?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

You were not? Had you done any teaching of Russian prior to this occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

You subsequently did some teaching; have you done some teaching of Russian?

Mrs. Paine.

Just this past summer.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. I will get to that in due course. Did you do some translating that evening for Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

You did not?

Mrs. Paine.

I spoke to her very little. I was embarrassed to.

Mr. Jenner.

Why was that?