Mr. Paine.

I probably responded, yes. It didn't take long once the rifle was suggested as the object to fit this puzzle together, this puzzle of the pieces that 1 had been trying to assemble in the package.

Mr. Liebeler.

What else happened?

Mr. Paine.

We went out of the garage, I don't think he took the blanket then even.

Mr. Liebeler.

This is the Dallas police officer?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, plainclothesman, wearing black hats; one of them had one of those Texas hats. He collected all the useless stuff in our house, he went around and collected all the files of Ruth, and a drawer of cameras, mostly belonging to me. I tried to tell him one of the files contained our music or something like that, and the more I suggested it, that he not bother taking those, the more insistent he was in taking those objects.
So with the various boxes and piles of stuff, mostly of our stuff, we got in the car and went off, and he was quite irked that we had wasted quite enough time around there, he said, and Ruth was irked, and everybody was irked by it. He wouldn't let us be helpful, and thought we were he became angry when we tried to be helpful or something that we would suggest that he should do.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did they tell you how they happened to come to your house?

Mr. Paine.

No. I don't remember. I think I may have asked it, "You found us pretty quickly," or somebody said this, but I don't remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember any other conversations about this blanket?

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did anyone notice any scraps of paper or tape similar to the ones of which these sacks were constructed that we previously identified, particularly Commission 142?

Mr. Paine.

Not that I remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is there anything else that happened during this period prior to the time the police left that you think would be significant or that we ought to know about?

Mr. Paine.

No; very little happened. We just bundled up and went. Marina was--whimpered a little bit, but mostly it was dry.

Mr. Liebeler.

You Went with the police?

Mr. Paine.

We went with the police in several cars and didn't come back until quite a lot later that night, didn't go into the garage again; didn't want the Life reporters to take photographs, so I don't think they went in the garage to take photographs. Several--their possessions were searched by various waves of succeeding policemen, Dallas, and Irving and FBI, and what not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, there has been a report that on November 23, 1963, there was a telephone call between a man and a woman, between the numbers of your residence and the number of your office, in which the man was reported to have said in words or substance, "We both know who is responsible for the assassination." Have you been asked about this before?

Mr. Paine.

I had heard that--I didn't know it was associated with our numbers. I had heard a report that some telephone operator had listened in on a conversation somewhere, I don't know where it was. I thought it was some other part of the country.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to your wife on the telephone at any time during Saturday, November 23, on the telephone?

Mr. Paine.

I was in the police station again, and I think I called her from there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you make any remark to the effect that you knew who was responsible?

Mr. Paine.

And I don't know who the assassin is or was; no, so I did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are positive in your recollection that you made no such remark?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us your impression and your opinion of the relationship that had developed between Marina Oswald and your wife during the period that they knew each other up to the time of the assassination and