Mr. Paine.

negative to our society and not an ingratiating person, not a person with compassion or something.

Mr. Liebeler.

What time did you arrive at your home in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

I would guess about 3 or 3:30, somewhere in that neighborhood.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who was there when you arrived?

Mr. Paine.

The police, the Dallas police mostly were there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your wife was there?

Mr. Paine.

My wife and Marina.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember what you said when you arrived?

Mr. Paine.

I don't know. No, I don't remember what I said.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you say in words or substance, "I came right home as soon as I heard the shots were fired from the Texas School Book Depository Building?"

Mr. Paine.

No, I came right home as soon as I heard Lee Oswald mentioned. I did not come home.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember saying that you came right home as soon as you heard that Oswald was involved?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, I think I said something like that. Ruth asked me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, you mentioned before that after you arrived home you went into the garage when the police officers went into your garage. Was there any indication to you at that time that the garage had been previously searched by the police or anyone else?

Mr. Paine.

This I don't remember very well. But, as I remember, this was not the first time we had gone in there. I think, perhaps, they went into--I don't remember, but I don't think it was the first time they had gone in.

Mr. Liebeler.

You said when you did go into the garage, however, the blanket was there in the garage?

Mr. Paine.

I think it was. It was still there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us, to the best of your recollection, what was said in respect of the blanket and search of the garage, as you say. Before you answer that question, let me ask you, did your wife go with you into the garage with the police officers?

Mr. Paine.

I think they were further in in the garage. I think I stayed--the band saw is fairly close to--there is an overhead door to the garage, and close to the under edge of that when it is pulled up. In other words, it is fairly close to the outside in the garage, and I think I stayed somewhat near the door entering the garage, which is the inside end of the garage.

Mr. Liebeler.

And your wife was with the police officers further in?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, I think she was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was Marina Oswald there?

Mr. Paine.

Failure of recollection, I would say, yes. But it is a very fuzzy recollection.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us where the blanket was found?

Mr. Paine.

It doesn't really make sense as to why they would still leave the blanket there, and these things would have been discussed at that time, but I kind of remember a kind of silhouette situation, a police officer either lifted up or kicked this blanket, which was in exactly the same location that the rifle, the package had been, underneath the saw and somewhat in the sawdust. And I think he put it back there. He may have asked me at that time, "Did you know what was in this?"

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember that?

Mr. Paine.

And that is why I think they asked me, it may have been as early as that, whether it was a rifle, "Do you think it could have been a rifle?" I don't remember how it was posed, but I probably answered when it was suggested, it was a rifle, and there they suggested it was a rifle, because they had already learned from Marina that he had had a rifle, and it had been, perhaps, had learned it had been in that blanket.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know they had previously asked Marina about that?

Mr. Paine.

No; but I think--I'm just telling you my impressions here, very fuzzy impressions.

Mr. Liebeler.

Go ahead.

Mr. Paine.

My impression was that they asked me if I knew what was in this blanket, or he asked me, and then he asked me if it could be a rifle, and