Mr. Liebeler.

that you think would be helpful for us to know other than the ones you have already mentioned?

Mr. Paine.

I don't recall one now.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate to you any specific hostility toward President Kennedy?

Mr. Paine.

I think at this ACLU meeting he mentioned this specifically that he thought Kennedy had done a good job in civil rights. That was it--generally my impression was that he liked--he didn't like anybody, but he disliked Kennedy least as you might go right from Kennedy.

Mr. Liebeler.

To the best of your recollection, was that the only time he mentioned President Kennedy specifically?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever mention Governor Connally?

Mr. Paine.

Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate any hostility toward the United States other than the hostility that you have previously testified to after his return from the Soviet Union and his general dislikes of the American system?

Mr. Paine.

That is right. Just his general dislike.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate to you a desire to return to the Soviet Union?

Mr. Paine.

No; I think when I learned, I don't know when it was that he had planned to go back there that it was a surprise to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you learn that he planned to go back there?

Mr. Paine.

That was probably subsequent; yes, that was certainly subsequent to November 22.

Mr. Dulles.

Or to go to Cuba?

Mr. Paine.

Or to go to Cuba, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

When that was spoken--

` Mr. PAINE. I remember now, first it was mentioned could he be connected with a Communist plot and there I thought of Russian Communists and that didn't seem to ring a bell.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was that mentioned?

Mr. Paine.

This was after the assassination, a day or two later. Then when the Fair Play for Cuba Committee was mentioned, that was the first 1 had heard of it except for his mentioning Cuba to this man at the ACLU meeting referring to it in the car to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

He never told you that he had been active in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee?

Mr. Paine.

That is correct, that was the only recollection I could remember his ever having mentioned Cuba.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now yesterday, we asked you about an incident or spoke to you about an incident that happened in September of 1963 when you went into your garage to use some tools, your garage in Irving, Tex. Would you tell us about that?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember whether the date was September. I remember that was the date they came back from New Orleans and I do remember that my wife asked me to unpack some of their heavy things from their car. I only recall unpacking duffelbags but any other package, that was the heaviest thing there and they were easy also.

Mr. Liebeler.

You must have moved the duffelbags from the station wagon into the garage?

Mr. Paine.

That is right. I unpacked whatever was remaining in the station wagon to the garage.
So sometime later, I do remember moving about this package which, let's say, was a rifle, anyway it was a package wrapped in a blanket. The garage was kind of crowded and I did have my tools in there and I had to move this package several times in order to make space to work, and the final time I put it on the floor underneath the saw where the bandsaw would be casting dust on it and I was a little embarrassed to be putting his goods on the floor, but I didn't suppose, the first time I picked it up I thought it was camping equipment. I said to myself they don't make camping equipment of iron pipes any more.