Mrs. Ford.

No; it never occurred to me to ask her and I did not ask her.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss this question with anybody else how she could lock anybody in the bathroom?

Mrs. Ford.

Not until yesterday with my husband, how she could do it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is there anything else that Marina told you about this Nixon affair that you can remember now?
Did she tell you when it happened?

Mrs. Ford.

No; she told me only that, that she said she mixed up dates. She thought it was one month and it was, supposedly happened, another month and she said that a lot of times she doesn't remember exactly the month.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you anything about the General Walker affair?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; she told me something about that.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was that?

Mrs. Ford.

She said in the first place, people are saying that maybe she knew ahead of time and she said she did not. Lee told her after it had happened, after he had shot, and he told her, "Well, I just tried to shoot Walker." She said she was rather angry and she told him if he ever does that again, she said, "Don't ever do that again," she was rather disgusted--that he shouldn't do such a thing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you about any note that he had written in connection with the attack on General Walker?

Mrs. Ford.

No; she didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you whether the Walker incident occurred before or after the Nixon incident?

Mrs. Ford.

I don't know. She never said it to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she discuss with you during this period that she had been living in your house any of the details of the assassination?

Mrs. Ford.

I, frankly, just didn't feel like asking her questions, I really felt like I just wanted to help her, that is all. She never brought the subject up herself.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she say anything about what happened on Thursday night when Lee Oswald came back from Irving to Dallas?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; she said that was not long ago, and she somehow found out someone, I think Robert, told her there was some evidence that someone saw a boy running across--a boy saw someone running across the yard or something, and he thought maybe there was some other man involved. And she began to say, "Well, if Lee didn't kill the President why did he come home on Thursday and why did he leave his ring at home and why was the gun taken from the garage." I mean she was putting that together, she was making me believe that Lee was doing it.

Mr. Liebeler.

She was considering at that time the possibility that Lee Oswald was not?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Guilty of this?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; Robert, I believe, was telling her that, that there was a possibility that somebody else did the crime and she was talking about that to me, and that is when she said about why would he come back on Thursday when he never did that before, and also that he would leave a ring that was to her it would mean something that, he didn't want--he didn't feel like he would return or something.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss with Marina her feeling as to Lee Oswald's guilt or innocence in this matter?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, she feels that--no, I don't remember her discussing it. I think she asked him after she saw him after the assassination he told her no, he did not kill anybody. He told her that. But I think her own conclusion is that he did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any discussions with her as to whether Lee Oswald was angry with President Kennedy for any reason?

Mrs. Ford.

No; she told me that he actually never did say anything bad about Kennedy. He didn't like General Walker because he compared him rather with Hitler in some way. He said, he was telling her, she was asking him why would he kill a man like that, I mean that he should not kill anybody. He said, he told her, well, if somebody killed Hitler ahead of time that wouldn't