Mr. Liebeler.

That she was in anyway a cause of any of these deaths herself?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I wouldn't think she feels this way, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about the conversations at the second meeting. Were there any conversations at that time about her testimony before the Commission or about the assassination?

Mrs. Ford.

I believe she mentioned she was going to Washington at that time. She knew about going, I believe Martin said that.

Mr. Liebeler.

But she didn't talk about her testimony?

Mrs. Ford.

No; she didn't, not at all she didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to anybody else about her testimony before the Commission?

Mrs. Ford.

I don't know, I don't think so.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Mr. Martin say anything about it?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I don't remember, I don't know.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was the next time that you saw Marina?

Mrs. Ford.

After she came back from Washington.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she come to your house then?

Mrs. Ford.

No; she did not. Her lawyer, in fact Mr. Martin, called me and told me she is staying at her brother-in-law's, and that he wanted to break the partnership with her, and he asked me if I could go with her attorney and translate for her the conditions of the break, the breaking of the contract, and I agreed to go with them.

Mr. Liebeler.

To Robert Oswald?

Mrs. Ford.

To Robert Oswald's house; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did there come a time after that when Marina came to live with you in your house?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; when I came there, Marina told me she couldn't stay another day, she thought, in Robert's house. It was such a small house and small children and she just didn't like to stay in there at all, and so I told her, "Well, you could come and stay at my place if you wanted to," and she said she would love to do that.

Mr. Liebeler.

After Marina moved in with you, did you talk to her about her testimony before the Commission, that she gave before the Commission?

Mrs. Ford.

No; we never talked about what she did. She told me she had it, written something. She said something maybe that someone mentioned in the Commission that that was rather good for a novel but not for the testimony.
She said, well, she had written the way she remembers her past, those are the words she made.

Mr. Liebeler.

She was referring to a statement she had written.

Mrs. Ford.

She had written, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she show it to you?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I have never seen it.

Mr. Liebeler.

During the time that Marina stayed with you or at any other time, did she say anything to you about this incident where Mr. Oswald was allegedly going to attack Mr. Nixon?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I hadn't learned about that until later.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss it with Marina?

Mrs. Ford.

Somehow she didn't feel, she didn't want to discuss it very much, she felt badly that it came out, I suppose or something. She didn't want it to.

Mr. Liebeler.

But she did talk to you about it?

Mrs. Ford.

She talked to me because I had to translate it to her, the discussion with her lawyer, and he, I think, the FBI were at the lawyer's office while they went to talk to her about the subject, and I had to translate what she was telling the lawyer about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any conversations with her about this Nixon affair at a time when the FBI was not present?

Mrs. Ford.

I think going home, I just maybe, I don't know what I asked her. She said the same thing actually what she said in the office, that she held him in the bathroom and I asked her how was it finished, and she said, "I talked him out of it," and he said, "If you will keep me in the bathroom, just give me something to read." She didn't talk very much about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask her how she could lock Lee in the bathroom?