Mrs. Ford.

saw her, made an attempt to see her I don't know how he did that but anyway he was giving her a lesson and she was supposed to have completed it by the next time in writing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Mr. Bouhe tell you anything about Marina's ability to speak English or write English? Did Marina learn as a result of that?

Mrs. Ford.

He said she was doing very well. I don't know if she learned to speak but he said she was a good student.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Lee Oswald ever object to this effort on Mr. Bouhe's Part?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, he was objecting to anyone of the Russians helping her.

Mr. Liebeler.

Helping her learn English?

Mrs. Ford.

Not learning English, but I mean helping her about anything. I don't know whether he was objecting to that. But we talked with Lee about this, why he wasn't teaching her English and he wasn't speaking to her and he said that he didn't want to forget Russian and he really said, "If she wants," this is what Marina said the other day, that he didn't actually object, but he thought if she could learn Russian just by herself in any way she could, she could, but he is not going to help her. He just didn't want to help her by speaking English.

Mr. Liebeler.

You mean English.

Mrs. Ford.

That is right. He is not going to talk English with her, he wanted Russian. He wanted for the little girl to learn Russian and for himself not to forget it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he indicate, in other words that he wanted Marina to speak Russian so that he could maintain his own ability in Russian?

Mrs. Ford.

That is correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

And he also wanted his children to learn to speak Russian?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

After this party on the 28th of December, what was your next contact with either Lee or Marina Oswald?

Mrs. Ford.

After the 28th? I think after the assassination, I only heard once about her, I just heard she went to New Orleans. Again a friend, Lydia Dymitruk, was in the bakery and she said she saw Marina coming in and she told her she thought Marina was pregnant and she told her Marina was going to New Orleans. That is the only time I have heard anything about them after that party. The next contact I had with her was, I don't know the date but it was soon after the assassination when I just felt sorry for Marina, I thought she was, I always felt she was innocent, I thought she was a naive girl in a lot of ways and that is why she got into a lot of problems and troubles.
I just felt if she didn't have anybody there except the FBI and nobody to speak in Russian, she didn't know how everybody felt, I would think she would feel very badly, so I called Mrs. Paine who, I found out after the assassination she was a friend of Marina's and I told her that if she would have a contact with Marina, tell her that we sympathize with her that she is in the position that she is, and to call me or to let me know that I would like to talk with her.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us approximately when it was that you talked to Mrs. Paine?

Mrs. Ford.

I think that was either the first part of December, I think it must have been at least a week after the assassination.

Mr. Liebeler.

In early December?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What happened after that?

Mrs. Ford.

Right after that, I think the next day Marina called me, and she said the reason she called me was because Mrs. Paine told her that I called, and let her know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember specifically that Marina told you that she, Marina, had talked to Mrs. Paine?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, this, I don't know. I think that is what she did. In fact, I think that Mrs. Paine told me she talked on the telephone with Marina but I couldn't be positive about it. I know she wrote letters, they wrote, I know Mrs. Paine wrote to Marina, and I couldn't exactly say she talked to her on the telephone or how it was, either Marina called Mrs. Paine or I don't know.