Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you any more specifically than that what the problem was?

Mrs. Ford.

No; she didn't really. She did not elaborate. She did not go into explanations of their living together.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she mention that Lee Oswald was jealous of the Russian friends that Marina had?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; she did. She told me that, that he was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did they argue about that?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, I didn't know if they were arguing about that. I know she said that he was very jealous of them helping Marina and jealous for the reason that he wasn't able to provide her at the time with any of the things that they were giving Marina, clothes, and baby clothes, and I think that he was--it was making him rather mad because he said he was unable to buy the things for her at the time, and I know that he was not accepting things people were giving him. He was telling her not to take them but she was taking them because she needed them. I suppose they were arguing about that but I don't remember the particulars.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form an impression at the time that Marina lived with you for that week as to what the cause of their difficulties might be?

Mrs. Ford.

She mentioned one time that soon after marriage he told her he didn't love her any more in any way. So I don't know what is the difficulty, I don't know if that is what she mentioned. She did not explain and didn't go into explanations of this.

Mr. Libeler.

Do you think, did you form an opinion as to whether this separation and the difficulties they were having was primarily the result of Oswald's behavior or did you think Marina might have been partially responsible for it, what did you think?

Mrs. Ford.

My own opinion was that Marina was responsible for it. I think Marina was and I think now she is a rather immature girl.

The Chairman.

She is what?

Mrs. Ford.

I think she is rather immature in thinking.

The Chairman.

Oh, yes.

Mrs. Ford.

And a lot of times she agreed herself about provoking him in a way by arguing about his mother or things of some sort.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did she tell you about arguments concerning his mother?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, I don't know really. She would say something that he was badly brought up or something like that.

Representative Ford.

He was what?

Mrs. Ford.

Badly brought up, some sort of thing, and he would get mad and slam her for that or something and then he was telling her not to let mother in, and when mother comes to the apartment she would let her in and then they would argue over that.

Representative Ford.

He would tell her not to let the mother in?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right, and she would because she said she just couldn't do that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Marina tell you at that time what her feelings toward Lee's mother were?

Mrs. Ford.

I don't remember her saying anything one way or the other if she liked her or didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember whether Marina might have mentioned that Lee Oswald had spoken to a neighbor and told the neighbor that Marina was from Czechoslovakia?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I don't know of anything like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't know at any time that Oswald didn't want people to know that his wife was from Russia? Marina didn't mention that?

Mrs. Ford.

Not around us, we didn't because we knew it anyway.

Mr. Liebeler.

Marina didn't mention anything like that to you?

Mrs. Ford.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

When Marina lived with you during that time did she tell you anything about her background in Russia, did she tell you about her birthplace and youth in Russia?