Mr. Mcwatters.

Senator COOPER. Yes, sir.

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Well, now, you have seen this young man, Milton Jones, several times since then?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Now after having seen him several times since then, and having seen these photographs of the man who is identified as Lee Oswald--

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.
Senator COOPER. Does Milton Jones look like Lee Oswald?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, they both, just like I say, about the same height, and same build, and everything, as far as identifying looking at a man in the face of course, I know him now, distinctly.
Senator COOPER. But at this time would you identify him as Lee Oswald from the photographs you have seen of Lee Oswald?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Right now?
Senator COOPER. Yes.

Mr. Mcwatters.

No. At the time, I couldn't then, in other words, even from the recalling of what I seen him then, I mean just to say that the height and size of him, no, I wouldn't make the statement that I could now.
Senator COOPER. Are you certain that you did see some man who knocked on the window of your door of your bus and wanted to get in your bus at some point near Murphy?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; I am positive about that. There was--
Senator COOPER. You saw that man get off later?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.
Senator COOPER. Before you got to--

Mr. Mcwatters.

Before I got to Lamar Street, between Poydras and Lamar.
Senator COOPER. That is all.

Mr. Mcwatters.

The best I can remember is that is where I issued two transfers. That is the best I can remember.

Mr. Ball.

To clear this matter up with your punch, you have your punch there, have you?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

That was issued to you by the Dallas Transit Company?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Does that make a different mark in a transfer than any other punch issued to any other driver in the Dallas Transit Company?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

It is a distinctive mark?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; it is supposed to be, there is not supposed to be any driver that has a punch that makes a punchmark like my punch.

Mr. Ball.

So your supervisor could take this transfer and compare it with his list in his office?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right.

Mr. Ball.

And he could see McWatters issued this transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right; that is the way, if they have any complaint, any transfers brought in to him, he has a list. When he looked at the punch-mark he knows the man's name, and his badge number.

Mr. Ball.

And this document here which is 381, you have identified that punchmark as the one made by your punch?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; that punchmark was made by that punch right there.

Mr. Ball.

Now, there are on this transfer two punches, there is one in p.m., and there is marked punch Lakewood. Now, the p.m., refers to the time?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

But Lakewood refers to a certain location on your run, doesn't it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

If this transfer was issued around the Lamar area or St. Paul--Elm area, is there any place that you could punch and show that particular location?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir.