Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Who was the No. 2 man you saw in the lineup on November 22, 1963?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, just like I say, he was the shortest man in the lineup, in other words, when they brought these men out there, in other words, he was about the shortest, and the lightest weight one, I guess, was the reason I say that he looked like the man, because the rest of them were larger men than--

Mr. Ball.

Well, now, at that time, when you saw the lineup--

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Were you under the impression that this man that you saw in the lineup and whom you pointed out to the police, was the teenage boy who had been grinning?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I was, yes, sir; I was under the impression--

Mr. Ball.

That was the fellow?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That was the fellow.

Mr. Ball.

You were not under the impression then that night when you saw the lineup that the No. 2 man in the lineup was the man who got off the bus, to whom you had given a transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is what I say. In other words, when I told them, I said, the only way is the man, that he is smaller, in other words, he kind of had a thin like face and he weighs less than any one of them. The only one I could identify at all would be the smaller man on account he was the only one who could come near fitting the description.

Mr. Ball.

Let me ask you this, though. Did you tell them the man, the smaller man, you saw in the lineup, did you tell them that you thought he was the man who got off your bus and got the transfer or the man who was on the bus who was the teenager who was grinning?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I really thought he was the man who was on the bus.

Mr. Ball.

That stayed on the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That stayed on the bus.

Mr. Ball.

And you didn't think he was the man who got off the bus and to whom you gave a transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

At that time you didn't?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is why I say I pinpointed that transfer on that boy as far as that is concerned. But at first, just like I say, I really thought from the height and weight of the two men, 1 mean was just like I say, was both of them were small. In the lineup they had, in other words, bigger men, in other words, he was the smallest man at the lineup-

Mr. Ball.

We have got--we have this diagram that you have already drawn of the bus which has several initials on it. Could you tell me where on the bus this lady sat who told the teenager it was no grinning matter?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, now, that is, in other words, I don't think at that time now this teenager was still on the bus near, but I had a couple of more passengers on there, I believe I had two women on there, but I can't recall just, when I picked her up where she sat down on the bus.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember you said to the woman, "Look at that man behind you?"

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, she was standing up here at the fare, paying fare.

Mr. Ball.

And the teenager was where?

Mr. Mcwatters.

He was sitting right here.

Mr. Ball.

At the place "O", is that right?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, at the place "O".

Mr. Ball.

I see--

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is where the conversation was going on.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. McWatters, that affidavit you have there, will you look at another item you have there?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

"Today, November 22, 1963, about 12:40 p.m., I was driving Marsalis Bus No. 1213."

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right.