The Chairman.

Do you have any lockers there in which you put your clothes, and so forth?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; we don't.
(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. Frazier.

Some boys hang their jackets up in there in that little domino room where they were going to play dominoes. But here lately, I have been wondering, you know, most of us wear our jackets, what we have on, because if you are going out there on a dock in the cold air we usually keep them on.

The Chairman.

I see.

Mr. Ball.

On Thursday afternoon when you went home, drove on home, did he carry any package with him?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; he didn't

Mr. Ball.

Did he have a jacket or coat on him?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What kind of a jacket or coat did he have?

Mr. Frazier.

That, you know, like I say gray jacket.

Mr. Ball.

That same gray jacket?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir. Now, I can be frank with you, I had seen him wear that jacket several times, because it is cool type like when you keep a jacket on all day, if you are working on outside or something like that, you wouldn't go outside with just a plain shirt on.

Mr. Ball.

I have no further questions.

The Chairman.

Senator, have you any questions you would like to ask? I think that is all. Does anybody else have any questions to ask? Do you have any questions?

Mr. Ball.

Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

Mr. Ball.

Turn around.

Mr. Frazier.

I didn't pay much attention, but when I did, I say, he had this part down here, like the bottom would be short he had cupped in his hand like that and, say, like walking from the back if you had a big arm jacket there you wouldn't tell much from a package back there, the physical features. If you could see it from the front like when you walk and meet somebody you could tell about the package, but walking from behind you couldn't tell much about the package whatsoever about the width.
But he didn't carry it from the back. If this package were shorter he would have it cupped in his hands.

The Chairman.

Could he have had the top of it behind his shoulder, or are you sure it was cupped under his shoulder there?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes; because the way it looked, you know, like I say, he had it cupped in his hand.

The Chairman.

I beg your pardon?

Mr. Frazier.

I said from where I noticed he had it cupped in his hands. And I don't see how you could have it anywhere other than under your armpit because if you had it cupped in your hand it would stick over it.

Mr. Ball.

Could he have carried it this way?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir. Never in front here. Like that. Now, that is what I was talking to you about. No, I say he couldn't because if he had you would have seen the package sticking up like that.
From what I seen walking behind he had it under his arm and you couldn't tell that he had a package from the back.

Mr. Ball.

When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please, and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Or your eye level, and when you put the package under your armpit, the upper part of the package, and take a hold of the side of it with your right