Mr. Specter.

Do you recall whether or not the statement is accurate in that you told the police officials at that time that there was a time span of 8 seconds between the first and second shots and a time span of 3 seconds between the second and third shots?

Mr. Rowland.

I think I did tell them that, yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

And with respect to the facts which appear in the statement that you said the man was standing about 15 feet back from the windows, did you actually tell them that when you made the statement, or is that an error of transcription?

Mr. Rowland.

I don't think I said that.

Mr. Specter.

Now are there any other points where the affidavit is at variance from your current recollection?

Mr. Rowland.

The time that it states here, we arrived in downtown Dallas at approximately 12:10. Actually we arrived before 12 but we took the position that we have, approximately 12:10, that position "V" on this other Exhibit 354.

Mr. Specter.

Are there any other variances between your current recollection and this statement?

Mr. Rowland.

I do not think so.

Mr. Specter.

Did you tell the police officials at the time you made this statement that there was a Negro gentleman in the window on the southwest corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building which you have marked with a circle "A"--pardon me, southeast?

Mr. Rowland.

At that time, no. However, the next day on Saturday there were a pair of FBI officers, agents out at my home, and they took another handwritten statement from me which I signed again, and this was basically the same. At that time I told them I did see the Negro man there and they told me it didn't have any bearing or such on the case right then. In fact, they just the same as told me to forget it now.

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Reporter, will you please repeat that last answer for us?
(Answer read.)

Mr. Specter.

I am now handing you a document which I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 358, which purports to be a reproduction of a statement which was purportedly given by you to the FBI, two agents of that Bureau.
Will you take a look at that and tell us if that is the statement which you gave to the FBI to which you just referred?

Mr. Rowland.

Again, I have a variance of time and a variance of distance that he was from the window.

Mr. Specter.

Before you direct your attention to those factors, Mr. Rowland, are you able to tell us whether or not this is the statement which you gave to the FBI?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes. My wife was with me when I gave the statement.

Mr. Specter.

And without looking at the statement which, may the record show, you are not now doing, do you recollect the names of the FBI, don't look there, just tell me if you can recollect without seeing their names on the statement?

Mr. Rowland.

No, sir; I talked to seven different pairs of FBI agents and I don't remember their names.

Mr. Specter.

Seven different pairs?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes, sir; I had--this is only one of the statements. They came to my home or where I worked and took three more besides this one. There were four handwritten statements that I signed.

Mr. Specter.

Before getting the details on those, tell me in what respect, if any, the statement which we have identified as Commission Exhibit No. 358 differs from what you told the FBI agents at that time?

Mr. Rowland.

I do not think it differs.

Mr. Specter.

Then that statement accurately reflects what you said at that time?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes; I am sure it does.

Mr. Specter.

Now, in what respects, if any, does that statement vary from your current recollection about the facts which are contained therein?