Mr. Specter.

Would you indicate with the letter "D" where you were at the time of the third shot?
(Witness marking.)

Mr. Specter.

Where did you look when you heard the third report?

Mr. Rowland.

Well, we were trying to actually see the President's car, that is what my wife was trying to do, and then I decided I might as well give in to her.

Mr. Specter.

After the shots occurred, did you ever look back at the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Rowland.

No; I did not. In fact, I went over toward the scene of the railroad yards myself.

Mr. Specter.

Why did you not look back at the Texas School Book Depository Building in view of the fact that you had seen a man with a rifle up there earlier in the day?

Mr. Rowland.

I don't remember. It was mostly due to the confusion, and then the fact that it sounded like it came from this area "C," and that all the officers, enforcement officers, were converging on that area, and I just didn't pay any attention to it at that time.

Mr. Specter.

How many officers were converging on that area, to the best of your ability to recollect and estimate?

Mr. Rowland.

I think it would be a very good estimation of 50, maybe more.

Mr. Specter.

Do you know how fast the President's automobile was driving as it proceeded in front of you when you were standing at position "B"?

Mr. Rowland.

Very slow pace, 5, 10 miles an hour.

Mr. Specter.

When, if at all, did you first report what you had observed in the Texas School Book Depository Building about the man with the rifle to anyone in an official position?

Mr. Rowland.

That was approximately 15 minutes after the third report that I went to an officer, he was a plainclothesman who was there combing the area, close to position "0," looking for footprints and such as this, some lady said someone jumped off one of the colonades and started running, there was an officer looking in this area for footprints and such as this.

Mr. Specter.

Was that lady ever identified to you?

Mr. Rowland.

No; I do not remember his name. He introduced himself and showed me his ID.

Mr. Specter.

I mean the lady you talked about.

Mr. Rowland.

No; I don't.

Mr. Specter.

Now as to the officer to whom you made a report, was he a State, City or Federal official, if you know?

Mr. Rowland.

It was a Dallas detective.

Mr. Specter.

And did you give him a statement or what procedure did he follow?

Mr. Rowland.

It happened such as this: He was looking in this area for footprints or any visible marks. I started looking around also. I found a fountain pen that someone had probably dropped during the confusion or fell out of their pocket when they fell on the ground or such. I picked it up and handed it to him. I had on gloves, I wasn't to mess up the fingerprints because it very possibly could have fallen out of the pocket of the man who supposedly had jumped down.

Mr. Specter.

You were wearing gloves on that day?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Was it a chilly day?

Mr. Rowland.

The sun was shining, it was a fair day but the wind was blowing and it was breezy.

Mr. Specter.

Was it cold enough to have gloves?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes; I had on my overcoat and my wife had a fairly heavy coat.

Mr. Specter.

Proceed, and tell us what you did.

Mr. Rowland.

I handed this pen to the officer and I started thinking and I went to him and told him again just before the motorcade came I saw a man in the building with a rifle, and he immediately took me to Sheriff Decker which, in turn, asked two other deputies to take me to his

office. We went there to his office. There was quite a few reporters around. such as this.