Mr. Specter.

Describe, as best you can, the appearance of the individual whom you saw?

Mr. Rowland.

He was rather slender in proportion to his size. I couldn't tell for sure whether he was tall and maybe, you know heavy, say 200 pounds, but tall whether he would be and slender or whether he was medium and slender, but in proportion to his size his build was slender.

Mr. Specter.

Could you give us an estimate on his height?

Mr. Rowland.

No; I couldn't. That is why I said I can't state what height he would be. He was just slender in build in proportion with his width. This is something I find myself doing all the time, comparing things in perspective.

Mr. Specter.

Was he a white man or a Negro or what?

Mr. Rowland.

Seemed, well, I can't state definitely from my position because it was more or less not fully light or bright in the room. He appeared to be fair complexioned, not fair, but light complexioned, but dark hair.

Mr. Specter.

What race was he then?

Mr. Rowland.

I would say either a light Latin or a Caucasian.

Mr. Specter.

And were you able to observe any characteristics of his hair?

Mr. Rowland.

No; except that it was dark, probably black.

Mr. Specter.

Were you able to observe whether he had a full head of hair or any characteristic as to quantity of hair?

Mr. Rowland.

It didn't appear as if he had a receding hairline but I know he didn't have it hanging on his shoulders. Probably a close cut from--you know it appeared to me it was either well-combed or close cut.

Mr. Specter.

What, if anything, did you observe as to the clothes he was wearing?

Mr. Rowland.

He had on a light shirt, a very light-colored shirt, white or a light blue or a color such as that. This was open at the collar. I think it was unbuttoned about halfway, and then he had a regular T-shirt, a polo shirt under this, at least this is what it appeared to be. He had on dark slacks or blue jeans, I couldn't tell from that I didn't see but a small portion.

Mr. Specter.

You say you only saw a small portion of what?

Mr. Rowland.

Of his pants from his waist down.

Mr. Specter.

Which half of the window was open, the bottom half or the top half?

Mr. Rowland.

It was the bottom half.

Mr. Specter.

And how much, if any, of his body was obscured by the window frame from that point down to the floor?

Mr. Rowland.

From where I was standing I could see from his head to about 6 inches below his waist, below his belt.

Mr. Specter.

Could you see as far as his knees?

Mr. Rowland.

No.

Mr. Specter.

And what is your best recollection as to how close to the window he was standing?

Mr. Rowland.

He wasn't next to the window, but he wasn't very far back. I would say 3 to 5 feet back from the window.

Mr. Specter.

How much of the rifle was separated from your line of vision by the window?

Mr. Rowland.

The entire rifle was in my view.

Mr. Specter.

In the open part of the window?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

And how much of his body, if any, was in the open view where there was no window between your eyes and the object of his body?

Mr. Rowland.

Approximately two-thirds of his body just below his waist.

Mr. Specter.

Up to what point?

Mr. Rowland.

Mid point between the waist and the knees, this is again in my proportion to his height that I make that judgment.

Mr. Specter.

So from the waist, some point between his knees and his waist, you started to see hi clear in the window?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

And from that point how far up his body were you able to see without any obstruction of a window between you and him?