Mr. Jackson.

sight, but I did see part of the stock, so I guess maybe 8 or 10 inches of the stock maybe. I did see part of the stock, I did not see the sight.

Mr. Specter.

Eight or ten inches of the stock, and how much of the barrel would you estimate?

Mr. Jackson.

I guess possibly a foot.

Mr. Specter.

Did you see anyone's hands on the rifle?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Now, as best as you can recollect it, what exact words did you state at or about the time you made the observation of the rifle, if any?

Mr. Jackson.

I said, "There is the gun" and somebody said "Where?" And I said, "It came from that window" and I pointed to that window.

Mr. Specter.

Do you recollect who it was who said "Where?"

Mr. Jackson.

Somebody in the car, I don't recall who.

Mr. Specter.

Did anybody else in the car say anything else at that time?

Mr. Jackson.

Nothing that I could remember. I am sure they were all talking.

Mr. Specter.

Did you say anything else at about that time?

Mr. Jackson.

If I did, I don't remember.

Mr. Specter.

Did anyone in the automobile state that he, too, had seen the rifle from the window?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Did you have a conversation with all of the men in the car immediately after the incident?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir; because as, I guess after the third shot, I do recall the driver speeding up, and we hesitated at the corner before turning left, and three of the occupants of the car got out, jumped out.

Mr. Specter.

Who were those three?

Mr. Jackson.

That was Underwood, Jim Underwood, Tom Dillard and one of the TV cameramen. The WFAA channel 8 cameraman and I were left in the back seat. We couldn't make up our minds.

Mr. Specter.

Was there an individual in the car by the name of Mr. Couch, to your knowledge?

Mr. Jackson.

Couch?

Mr. Specter.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jackson.

I don't know him.

Mr. Specter.

Malcolm Couch?

Mr. Jackson.

The name is familiar. I might state what I did see as we did hesitate there. at the corner, I don't recall whether this was before the other three fellows got out of the car or not, I believe we were still all in the car, as we observed these other things, but in a fleeting glance as I saw the cars go under the underpass, I did see people running. I saw a motorcycle policeman jump off his motorcycle, in fact, he just hit the curb and just let it fall, and he went down on his knees on the grass, on the lawn of that parkway.
I did see a family covering up their child, and I just saw a state of confusion, people running, and that is about all I saw at that point of the scene.

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Jackson, at the time you heard the first shot, did you have any reaction or impression from the sound itself as to the source of the shot, point of origin?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir; I didn't. It did sound like it came from ahead of us or from that general vicinity but I could not tell whether it was high up or on the ground.

Mr. Specter.

When you say that general vicinity, what vicinity did you mean?

Mr. Jackson.

We were sure it came. from ahead of us which would be in a northerly direction, northwesterly direction. It did sound as though it came from somewhere around the head of the motorcade.

Mr. Specter.

From the second shot, did you have any reaction or impression as to the source of this shot?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir. Through all three shots, I could just tell that it was ahead of me and not behind me, that is it.

Mr. Specter.

And the same impression then prevailed through the third shot as well.