Mr. Specter.

When you say we counted up, whom do you mean?

Mr. Jackson.

The photographers in the car. As we left Love Field, we were trying to figure how far back we were and we all decided it was the eighth car.

Mr. Specter.

Can you reconstruct that count for us which provided the basis for your conclusion that you were in the seventh or eighth car. For example, how many cars ahead of you was the President's car or the Vice President's car, if you can recollect, please.

Mr. Jackson.

Let me think a minute. I know there was a photographer's car directly in front of us which I believe had some of the local press. It was a convertible. Then in front were, I believe, two or three cars carrying the press, the White House press, and then President Johnson, I guess would be An. the next car, and then the President in the lead car, or the next car, and I believe there was another car in the lead.

Mr. Specter.

So as you recollect the scene there was the lead and immediately behind the lead car, whose car?

Mr. Jackson.

The President's, I believe.

Mr. Specter.

And then immediately behind the President's whose car?

Mr. Jackson.

The Vice President's.

Mr. Specter.

And immediately to the rear of the Vice President's car?

Mr. Jackson.

Press vehicles and I was told it was the White House press, two or three cars.

Mr. Specter.

And then there was one car filled with photographers?

Mr. Jackson.

Directly in front of us.

Mr. Specter.

Between your car and the cars which you believe to have been filled with White House newsmen?

Mr. Jackson.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Wasn't there a Secret Service car directly behind the President's car?

Mr. Jackson.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Between it and the Vice President's car?

Mr. Jackson.

Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Specter.

Wasn't there a Secret Service car immediately behind the Vice President's car, if you know?

Mr. Jackson.

There must have been. That is what I can't recall is which was which in there. I knew the White House press was in there but I didn't know how many cars. I am sure there were Secret Service cars, yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

As you were proceeding along in the motorcade, were you within sight of the President's automobile?

Mr. Jackson.

At times. When he was--when we could not get a clear view of it because of the photographers in the car ahead of us who were sitting up on the back of the seat just like we were, we did not have a clear view of the car at all times.

Mr. Specter.

As you proceeded along approximately how far behind the President's car were you, expressed either in cars, block lengths or in any way that is convenient for you?

Mr. Jackson.

Well, I would say approximately a block, average city block, maybe closer at times.

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Jackson, I show you a photograph which has been marked heretofore as Commission Exhibit No. 347, and ask you to look at it for a moment, and see if you can identify what that photograph depicts.

Mr. Jackson.

Yes, sir; this is the scene of the assassination, parade route, Main and Houston, left on Elm.

Mr. Specter.

Now, which street did the Presidential motorcade take coming on to that scene which you have described as the assassination scene.

Mr. Jackson.

They were on Houston.

Mr. Specter.

And before Houston what street were they on?

Mr. Jackson.

Main Street.

Mr. Specter.

What direction were they proceeding on Main Street?

Mr. Jackson.

West.

Mr. Specter.

Now without reference to the photograph, will you tell us what happened as the motorcade proceeded west on Main Street?