Mr. Kellerman.

The only thing I can recall right now, sir, are those pickets in San Antonio.

Representative Ford.

Well, may I say if on your return to your office you find any information on this particular point, I think it would be very helpful for the record, and it should be included in the record.

Mr. Kellerman.

All right. I surely will.

Representative Ford.

The report also says, "On October 30, 1963, the local FBI office gave the local Secret Service officer the name of a rightwing individual in the Dallas area. An investigation was made. On November 21 and 22 the local FBI office referred two pieces of information to the local Dallas office of the Secret Service." Were you familiar with that?

Mr. Kellerman.

No.

Representative Ford.

Who would, under your normal procedures, have been familiar with that?

Mr. Kellerman.

It would be the same organization, Protective Research Section.

Representative Ford.

But they did not give you any information of this.

Mr. Kellerman.

No.

Representative Ford.

Is this unusual or different?

Mr. Kellerman.

If they evaluated this information, there would have to be a degree of seriousness.

Representative Ford.

But, as far as you can best recollect at this point, you were never so informed.

Mr. Kellerman.

No, indeed.

Representative Ford.

The report does go on to say, and I quote, "One involved scurrilous literature already in the hands of the Secret Service, Exhibit 4. The second involved possible picket trouble which the local police were aware of." That is the picket trouble you were talking about?

Mr. Kellerman.

Apparently so.

Representative Ford.

The report also says on page 8, "Special Agent Lawson, SAIC Sorrel, and Special Agent Howlett met with Dallas law-enforcement officials. Special Agent Howlett also met with an informant. They followed up all leads and tips and checked scurrilous literature, Exhibit 4." Did you have any information personally about this activity by Lawson, Sorrel, and Howlett?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Representative Ford.

Was it their responsibility to do it, to undertake that kind of an operation?

Mr. Kellerman.

Everybody but Lawson. These other two gentlemen you are speaking of are field agents out of Dallas. Yes; they would investigate the seriousness of this thing, through the information furnished by the FBI. And, depending on the degree now, this would be furnished our Protective Research Section here in Washington.

Representative Ford.

Now, did Lawson or anybody else communicate to you what was going on in this regard?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, no. I do not think Mr. Lawson got in this investigative part at all. It would not be any part of his duties.

Representative Ford.

I am only reading from the report.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

And the report goes on to say, "Their investigations did not bring to light the name or the individual Lee H. Oswald, and he or his name was not known to them or any other Secret Service agent in Dallas or elsewhere prior to this shooting of the President." Would that be the same as far as you are concerned?

Mr. Kellerman.

That is very true.

Representative Ford.

You did not know of Lee H. Oswald?

Mr. Kellerman.

None whatsoever.

Representative Ford.

Was it surprising to you that when the President was going to a city as large as Dallas, that there were no names turned over to you, either by your Protective Research Section or by any other Federal agents--individuals or an individual dangerous to the President?

Mr. Kellerman.

I recall, to give you an answer, Congressman, that it did seem strange that here we are hitting five cities in one State and--and from