Mr. Kantor.

I am not sure now. It seems to me that it was Saturday. It seems to me that it was Saturday, late afternoon.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, when, after you walked down Commerce Street on Saturday night did you next think about your encounter with Ruby at Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Kantor.

Well, having walked past his place, and having seen that it was closed, I don't know whether I gave it any more thought.

Mr. Griffin.

I mean after that, when was the next ,time you thought about it?

Mr. Kantor.

The next time was just moments after 11:21 a.m., Sunday morning, when I discovered that Jack Ruby had shot Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what did you do immediately after Ruby shot Oswald?

Mr. Kantor.

Well, to begin with, I didn't see anything more than a hand and a gun as the shooting occurred. I was very close to where Lee Harvey Oswald was walking. I was intently watching his face and was in hopes I could ask him a question as he approached.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Let me ask you to do this. We have a diagram here of the jail basement. You might take a look at it. I am going to mark on the diagram "Seth Kantor Deposition, June 2, 1964, Exhibit No. 2."
(The document referred to was marked Seth Kantor, Exhibit No. 2, June 2, 1964, for identification.)

Mr. Griffin.

I will try to explain the diagram to you.

Mr. Kantor.

I think I am beginning to understand. This is a rampway here and a rampway here, is it not?

Mr. Griffin.

You have got the sides right. Here is the Main Street; here is Commerce Street. Now, the ramp is .at this point where it says down ramp--that is the Main Street ramp. And at the base of the Main Street ramp, there are some designations as to footage across the ramp. And then in the portion of the map which is closest to you there is a diagram of the jail office and the hallway that leads from the Harwood Street side of the jail into the ramp area.

Mr. Kantor.

Yes; I see.

Mr. Griffin.

And to refresh your recollection, the jail elevator which is shown on the map is the elevator that Oswald was brought out of, and he was led around in front of the dotted lines which are shown in the diagram, and then over to a door which is also shown. Now, why don't you again take a pencil and indicate on the map where you were standing at the time Oswald was shot. Why don't you just cut a "K" there for yourself.

Mr. Kantor.

All right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you indicated that you were standing right at what would be the entranceway to the parking area of the garage on the west side of the ramps that lead through the basement.

Mr. Kantor.

That. is right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you mention in your statement to the FBI that you saw Detective Combest in the basement. Did you know Combest before--

Mr. Kantor.

No; the first time I talked to him was upstairs outside Chief Curry's office following the shooting.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you show us on the diagram here where Combest was standing, to your recollection?

Mr. Kantor.

Right here.

Mr. Griffin.

Marked with an X. Now, can you put a mark on the map where Ruby was when you first saw him?

Mr. Kantor.

He was on the floor, having shot Lee Harvey Oswald, in approximately the same place where I designated where Billy Combest was standing.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. So when you say all you saw was an arm and a gun, you didn't even notice him before the shooting?

Mr. Kantor.

No; I thought it was an officer who shot Oswald. That was my first reaction.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, you indicated in your statement to the FBI that you heard Combest say something. Did you actually hear that, or did Combest tell you that?

Mr. Kantor.

No; I heard the words and did not know who uttered them.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. And is it fair to say--well, let me ask you this: The words that you heard, could you tell if they came from one person or more than one