Mr. Griffin.

numbers, a 3-A and 3-B, to indicate the two places the first time you think you might have seen Ruby.

Mr. Kantor.

Well, so far as I remember, it would--I mean I am talking about the same place in both instances.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Let me--

Mr. Kantor.

I am just not sure in my memory of the physical makeup of this entranceway.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me get this straight, then. The first time you saw Ruby, before you went up to Mr. Kilduff's press conference--

Mr. Kantor.

No, sir; what I am saying is I only saw him once and talked to him that time.

Mr. Griffin.

I understand. You are not sure whether you saw him before or after the press conference?

Mr. Kantor.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, if you saw him the first time, are you uncertain as to whether--as to which door it was that you saw him by?

Mr. Kantor.

Yes; I am uncertain as to which door I went in. And as I went in the door, that is where he was.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what I am asking you to do, then, is indicate by the Nos. 3-A and 3-B where these two doors might have been that you are uncertain about, having reference to the time you went into the building just before the press conference.

Mr. Kantor.

Well, it was the same door both times. It is just that I am unsure where that door is.

Mr. Griffin.

All right.

Mr. Kantor.

But it is in this main entrance area.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it

Mr. Kantor.

I would have to just guess, really.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it from what you are saying that you feel that the door was not on that portion of the entranceway towards Harry Hines Boulevard, or am I mistaken about that? I want to try to limit this somewhere as to what area you think this might have been in.

Mr. Kantor.

I don't recall going past the main entranceway, going towards Harry Hines Boulevard. It seems to me that it either was right at the main entrance, or a door perhaps adjacent to the main entrance, because it seems like it was a small entranceway.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, let me ask you again then--why don't you place a 3-A where this small door before the main entranceway might have been, and a 3-B generally indicating the main entranceway.

Mr. Kantor.

All right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, is there anything in particular about the doorway that you were in--that you were near at the time you thought you saw Ruby that sticks out in your mind?

Mr. Kantor.

Well, three things. It was not a large doorway keeps sticking in my mind--that is why I have doubts about it being right in the main entrance. Also there were stairs within, a very few steps, 5 to 10 steps, probably, within the doorway there was a stairway going up. And, thirdly, I recall that beside Jack Ruby there were nurses and there were people who looked like interns--at any rate they were doctors, dressed in white.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you recall if during the period you were at Parkland Hospital, as you drove into Parkland Hospital and at the time you left, if this entranceway to the hospital by Harry Hines Boulevard was blocked or guarded in any way to prevent the entrance of normal private vehicles?

Mr. Kantor.

It appeared to be that way as we came up. On the other hand, the driver of our vehicle, at our urging, leaned out of his window and hollered "Press." Perhaps he said White House Press. At any rate, the officer immediately in our way backed off and waved us in.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, directing your attention to the main entranceway of the hospital, where would parking facilities be in relationship to that main entrance-way for normal people visiting the hospital on regular business?

Mr. Kantor.

Even when I was a newspaperman in Dallas, I always went to the emergency area when I had to go to the hospital, because it was relative to