The girl now known as Marina Oswald, as I understand it, lost her father when she was about 2 years old. Her mother remarried and died when Marina was in her teens, and at the time that Oswald met her Marina was living, evidently, in the capacity of a daughter, in other words, an adopted daughter for practical purposes, with the colonel of the Soviet military intelligence.

Mr. Jenner.

What is your source for that supposition?

Mr. Oliver.

That I base on a report from a.man whose research I use a great deal in my work, Mr. Frank Capell. Mr. Capell, is a private expert on Communism and Communistic infiltration, who, I understand, has the cooperation of many former intelligence officers of the Army and former members of the FBI.

Mr. Jenner.

When you say army you mean the United States Army?

Mr. Oliver.

United States Army; yes. And other very good sources. He has very elaborate files and among the research workers whose work I use Mr. Capell's work has been particularly important to me in connection with these articles.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it then that the sources of the statement which I have quoted from your article, all portions of it, were, may I use the term, secondary sources, that is, the broadcast you have mentioned, newspaper items, research reports of Mr. Capell or either that you saw published or which he transmitted to you as the case my be, which came to your attention?

Mr. Oliver.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Here again your information was not, if I may use the term, direct source, of your own?

Mr. Oliver.

No; in the sense that I never met Oswald, knew nothing of his career.

Mr. Jenner.

Or you never knew that this school existed other than as reported through these secondary sources?

Mr. Oliver.

True, and of my own personal knowledge I do not even know that Minsk exists.

Mr. Jenner.

You have never been there?

Mr. Oliver.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you now given me all the sources of that statement to which the Commission may turn its attention if it has not already done

Mr. Oliver.

You are now referring to the marriage of Oswald to the daughter of the Soviet Colonel ?

Mr. Jenner.

I am referring to ,the whole sentence beginning, "He was then trained", and ending "secret police."

Mr. Oliver.

Did I mention that the adopted father was her uncle, was the uncle of Marina?

Mr. Jenner.

I don't think you called him an adopted father. You mean in the sense she went to live with him?

Mr. Oliver.

She went to live with him in the capacity of a daughter.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. I lost your thought. Would you repeat? You did mention something, you said ?

Mr. Oliver.

Did I mention that the colonel in the Soviet military intelligence with whom Marina was living at -the time that Oswald married her, was, according to her statement, her uncle ?

Mr. Jenner.

I don't think you mentioned that.

Mr. Oliver.

I did not want to intrude any other implication into the record.

Mr. Jenner.

No; of course not. Here again .the reference to him as her uncle is in turn based on either a newspaper source or a news broadcast or some other secondary source?

Mr. Oliver.

In this case I believe I am relying principally on research done by Mr. Capell.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Also, as a source would be the daily Congressional Record for December 4, 1963, page 22215.

Mr. Oliver.

It is, I think, relevant to the Commission's inquiries that excerpts published from the diary of this man Oswald indicate two things: First, that he was receiving a salary of approximately 700 rubles from the Russian Government through a Red Cross--Russian Red Cross--cover; and, second, that he was on terms of such intimacy with the colonel in the military intelligence that he could boast of .their drinking parties together.