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(Testimony of Prof. Revilo Pendleton Oliver)
Mr. Unger.
Don't you intend to have a member of the Commission present at this hearing?
Mr. Jenner.
No; unless you desire to have one.
Mr. Unger.
Well, I didn't understand that it was a matter of preference. I understood that under the rules under which you operated it wasn't a legal hearing unless you did have one.
Mr. Jenner.
It is a hearing; what you are reading is a hearing at which the Commission is sitting as distinguished from a deposition hearing. You will find also in the rules, John, that you have, that they provide for the deposition hearings.
Mr. Unger.
Are you referring now to the second paragraph which .says that any member of the Commission or any agent or agency designated by the Commission for such purpose may administer oaths and affirmation, examine witnesses, and receive evidence?
Mr. Jenner.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Unger.
I wouldn't normally take that as repealing a previous section that a member be present at all hearings.
Mr. Jenner.
It doesn't repeal it, it supplements it.
Mr. Unger.
You see, the subpena under which Dr. Oliver is here commands him to appear before the President's Commission.
Mr. Jenner.
That is right.
Mr. Unger.
Well, I have made my point. I have some question as to whether or not this would be a proper hearing in the absence of a Commission member, and I have so stated in the record.
Mr. Jenner.
But if you--Mr. McCloy happens to be here this afternoon, and if you want Mr. McCloy present, why we will have him present.
Mr. Unger.
We have no preference in the matter.
Mr. Jenner.
Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Jenner.
Dr. Oliver, the nature of the inquiry enjoined upon the Commission in the discharge of which it has been assiduously engaged is to determine the facts and circumstances relating to the deaths of President John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald. There has come to the attention of the Commission and its staff an article entitled, "Marxmanship in Dallas," of which we understand. you were the author, published in two parts in American Opinion, a magazine published by the John Birch Society, part I, in the February 1964 issue, pages 13 through 28, and part II in the March 1964 issue, pages 65 through 78.
That article it is charged among other things that President Kennedy's assassination was a part of a Communist plot engineered with the help of the Central Intelligence Agency, that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Communist agent trained in sabotage, terrorism, and guerrilla warfare, including accurate shooting from ambush, in a school for international criminals near Minsk, Russia, under order from Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, the U.S. Army began to rehearse for President Kennedy's funeral more than a week before the funeral actually took place---
Mr. Oliver.
Now, are we not confusing quite a number of things, here, Mr. Jenner?
Mr. Jenner.
Well, you may comment when I finish the statement, if you please.
Mr. Oliver.
Very good.
Mr. Jenner.
That Lee Harvey Oswald was sent to Dallas where he tried to murder Gen. Edwin A. Walker; that in November, Oswald was sent back from New Orleans, La, to Dallas, Tex., where a job at a suitably located building had been arranged for him and that something went wrong with the Communist conspiracy's plans, as a result of which Oswald was apprehended and identified.
There has also come to the attention of the Commission various news items and newspapers published in Washington, D.C., Illinois, Mississippi, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, California, and other States, which contain reports of lectures and speeches made by you from time to time, in which you have repeated, elaborated upon, or added to the charges and claims made in your article in the American Opinion which I have summarized.
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