Mr. Hubert.

You witnessed the thing?

Mr. Paul.

I was there.

Mr. Hubert.

And Hyman was not there?

Mr. Paul.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

You've met Hyman only once in your life?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was after the assassination?

Mr. Paul.

At the place of business. I know of that for sure because I never saw him before in my life.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your general night off--usually?

Mr. Paul.

The night off was Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday

Mr. Hubert.

Was it your night off on November 21 when you had dinner with Ruby? Mr. PAUL. Yes; it was my night off--Thursday.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you at the Carousel on Tuesday, the 19th of November 1963 ?

Mr. Paul.

I might have been. I can't recall whether I was or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Does it refresh your memory to ask you if you remember whether that was the occasion that Tammi True quit the Carousel there after some argument with Jack?

Mr. Paul.

I know it was one of those days, but I can't recall exactly what date.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened, do you know?

Mr. Paul.

Well, to tell the truth, I really don't know. She said something and he said something and I wasn't there at the time when it all happened.

Mr. Hubert.

You came there later?

Mr. Paul.

What?

Mr. Hubert.

Did you come there later?

Mr. Paul.

I came later--I think I did--I'm not sure. I wouldn't be sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you saw Tammi True the night she had this trouble with
Jack and quit or was fired or whatever it was?

Mr. Paul.

Well, not actually--I didn't actually see Tammi True because I wasn't talking with her at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean there had been some difference between you?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were not on speaking terms ?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did that last?

Mr. Paul.

Well, it lasted about 3 or 4 weeks, and the first time she called me was when she saw it on TV that Ruby had shot Oswald.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you had not spoken to Tammi True for about 3 or 4 weeks prior to November 24 ?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Friday your night off, at that time?

Mr. Paul.

No; they never had a night off.

Mr. Hubert.

What?

Mr. Paul.

They worked 7 days.

Mr. Hubert.

I'm not talking about them, I mean yourself?

Mr. Paul.

What Friday?

Mr. Hubert.

Friday the 21st, was that a night off? Was Friday normally a night off?

Mr. Paul.

Friday wasn't the 21st.

Mr. Hubert.

The 22nd--was Friday normally your night off at that time?

Mr. Paul.

No, Sir; Friday was not my night off.

Mr. Hubert.

It was not your night off?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

It Was not at that time?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, on the night of the day that the President was shot, that's Friday, November the 22nd, were you working?

Mr. Paul.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

At the Bull Pen?

Mr. Paul.

Yes, sir.