Mr. Hubert.

And Mr. Sorrels of the Secret Service was not there?

Mr. Hall.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Dean was not there, I believe, of the Dallas Police Department--P.T. Dean--only the two of them?

Mr. Hall.

Those two officers were the only ones present, and Officer Haake was at an outer door. Mr. Sorrels of the Secret Service was in Captain Fritz' office during the time that Ruby was being interviewed down there.

Mr. Hubert.

But he was not present when you interviewed him?

Mr. Hall.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me ask you this general question: first of all, did you or anyone in your presence, threaten Jack Ruby, offer him any promises of help, take any action or do anything to affect the voluntary nature of what he said?

Mr. Hall.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it your opinion that what Jack Ruby told you was completely voluntary?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir. At 12:45 p.m. on November 24 I advised Jack Ruby at the beginning of the interview that he was not required to make any statement, that he had a right to talk with an attorney before making any statement and that any statements he made could be used against him in a court of law.

Mr. Hubert.

And he indicated he understood what that meant?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ask for any attorney?

Mr. Hall.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How did Mr. Howard get into the matter; do you know?

Mr. Hall.

I was interviewing Jack Ruby when one of the jailers, a uniformed officer that I did not know, came in and said that an attorney was downstairs and wanted to talk with Jack Ruby. I told him that Jack was available immediately to go talk with his attorney. Jack was wearing only a pair of shorts. The officers produced his clothing, gave him a shirt, trousers, his shoes, and then after dressing, he went downstairs and then talked to Mr. Howard.

Mr. Hubert.

You went with him too?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir; I went with him too. Ruby did not know who the attorney was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he recognize him when he saw him? I mean, did he say anything or do anything to indicate he did?

Mr. Hall.

I don't know--Ruby walked over to a door where there was a screen where people can confer with prisoners and I was at the back of the room and I did not hear any of the conversation. They had a private talk--Ruby and Mr. Howard had a private talk.

Mr. Hubert.

Through the usual accommodations for attorneys-clients?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

They are separated by a screen?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir; and I stayed with the other officers and we were back. I knew Mr. Howard personally, I knew who he was, but whether Jack Ruby did or not, I do not know.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was, as I understand it, between 1:58 and 2:02?

Mr. Hall.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Or just about 6 minutes?

Mr. Hall.

Four minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Four minutes--and then he was brought back up?

Mr. Hall.

The jail doctor, Dr. Fred A. Bieberdorf, was in the jail area and had apparently been there on other business, and. one of the officers, I don't recall whether it was McMillon or Clardy, asked the doctor to look at Jack Ruby while he was there.

Mr. Hubert.

And when was that finished?

Mr. Hall.

We returned to the floor above there, the fifth floor, and they--the police officers removed the clothing that had been given Jack and he was returned back to where he was wearing his shorts. Then, I started interviewing him again.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, this has been clarified to some extent already, but I would like to clarify it a bit further. Prior to doing so, let me mark the documents--I'm going to refer to for identification. I have marked, the document which