Mr. Hall.

meat came in. A uniformed officer, K. H. Haake [spelling] H-a-a-k-e, Badge No. 1107, was on guard duty at the outer door of the cell block.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did those three persons you have mentioned remain within the sight and hearing of your interviewing of .lack Ruby throughout the whole time, from the beginning to the end?

Mr. Hall.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, maybe we would be better to get the change of personnel first before we get into the statement. Could you clarify that--for instance if McMillon left and someone else took his place and Clardy left, if you have a notation of that it will be helpful.

Mr. Hall.

Officer Haake was some distance away at the outer door. He was present there but I doubt seriously if he heard the complete interview.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he inside or outside the outer door?

Mr. Hall.

He was outside.

Mr. Hubert.

Outside the outer door?

Mr. Hall.

Yes; Detectives McMillon and Clardy were present up until 3:15 p.m. when Jack Ruby was taken to the office of Capt. Will Fritz, the homicide and robbery bureau of the Dallas Police Department. After Ruby came back upstairs to the jail from the interview with Captain Fritz, apparently Detectives McMillon and Clardy had gone off duty and from that time on I was alone with Ruby in that cell block area interviewing him.

Mr. Hubert.

There was, then, sort of an interruption of your interviewing?

Mr. Hall.

Yes; there were interruptions.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did this interruption take, so that we might, for instance, fix the time when the second part of this began, if you are able to help us on that?

Mr. Hall.

There was more than one interruption, yes, sir; and I first entered the cell where Ruby was confined at 12:40 p.m. on November 24, 1963. Ruby conferred with Attorney Tom Howard from 1:58 p.m. to 2:02 p.m. He was then examined by Dr. Fred A. Bieberdorf (spelling) B-i-e-b-e-r-d-o-r-f, at 2:06 p.m. and I interviewed Ruby again from 2:24 p.m. until 3:15 p.m. I then returned to interviewing Jack Ruby from 4:30 until 5:30 p.m.

Mr. Hubert.

And at 5:30 p.m. your interviewing was over with?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And, as I understand it, then McMillon and Clardy were there from the time you began at 12:40 until the time you first stopped, that is, at 2:24, roughly?

Mr. Hall.

McMillon and Clardy were actually with me from 12:40 until 3:15, because at the time Ruby was taken down to another floor to talk with his attorney and be examined by the doctor, McMillon, Clardy and I all went to the floor where he was taken, so we were all together all during that time from 12:40 p.m. until 3:15 p.m.

Mr. Hubert.

Then, you reinterviewed him for another hour, from 4:30 to 5:30?

Mr. Hall.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, .from 3:15 to 4:30 he was being interviewed by Captain Fritz?

Mr. Hall.

He was interviewed by Captain Fritz and then he was arraigned before Justice of the Peace Pierce McBride on a charge of shooting and killing Lee Harvey Oswald. Then he was returned to the fifth floor of the jail where he was searched by the jailers and given a white shirt and trousers as jail clothing and then returned to his cell. That is what occurred between 3:15 p.m. and 4:30 p.m.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you present during that period, 3:15 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you were with Ruby all the way through?

Mr. Hall.

Yes; I was with Ruby from 12:40 p.m. until 5:30 p.m. I did not participate in the interview by Captain Fritz, nor did I participate in any search of Ruby's things, but I was present.

Mr. Hubert.

But you were present?

Mr. Hall.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

When you first went there, you found McMillon and Clardy?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.