Mr. Meyers.

of his car and opened a little bag that looked to me like a little airplane bag, and he put the pouch in this bag, and a gun.
Now, I am actually trying to remember, although I am almost positive the gun was in the bag. In other words, I don't think he took the gun out of his pocket and put it in the bag. I think it was in the bag and then I said to him, "Jack, why do you carry that damn thing?" He said, "Well, you never know. You have got money around," and so forth and so on.
I said, "Well, it is yours. You do what you want to. Include me out." I have a very healthy respect and fear for those things.
Now, the gentlemen from the FBI asked me if I knew whether Jack Ruby carried a gun, and the answer I would have to give you is the same I gave them. I don't know. I don't know if they were carrying a gun. They had their coats on. Maybe he did have a gun, maybe he didn't. I would have no way of knowing.

Mr. Griffin.

In your conversation with Jack Ruby Thursday night, November 21, at the Dallas Cabana, do you recall an incident in which Jack Ruby was angry at the headwaiter?

Mr. Meyers.

No; I don't. I really don't.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to ask you--

Mr. Meyers.

That this happened while he was at the table with me?

Mr. Griffin.

I don't know. I am asking you if you recall it?

Mr. Meyers.

I don't recall it. I have no recollection of it.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to ask you if you can identify for us a couple of people a person by the name of Elsa Hacker ?

Mr. Meyers.

Yes; how in the hell would she get into this?

Mr. Griffin.

Is this a business associate?

Mr. Meyers.

No; this is a friend.

Mr. Griffin.

A person by the name of William Heiman ?

Mr. Meyers.

William Heiman?

Mr. Griffin.

H-e-i-m-a-n.

Mr. Meyers.

He was my former employer.

Mr. Griffin.

A person by the name of Chris Diaz Carlos or Carlios.

Mr. Meyers.

Who?

Mr. Griffin.

Chris Diaz Carlios, Puerto Rico. Do you know any people in Puerto Rico?

Mr. Meyers.

No; nobody. That is, I don't know---offhand I couldn't tell you of anybody I know in Puerto Rico.
I have got to ask you this question. How did Elsa Hacker get into this thing?

Mr. Griffin.

I can't answer the question for you.

Mr. Meyers.

If there was anything more farfetched, this would be it.

Mr. Griffin.

I say I can't answer that.

Mr. Meyers.

Oh, my goodness.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there anything else that you can think of that we haven't discussed here which you think might be relevant?

Mr. Meyers.

Really not--I mean--we have talked about it. The only thing that I discussed with the FBI other than what you and I have talked about is, of course, my personal feelings about Jack, and I have given you indications of these as I have gone along.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't believe I .have any more questions. I want to thank you

very much for coming here. You have been very helpful to us.

Mr. Meyers.

Fine, I hope so.

Mr. Griffin.

I hope we haven't interrupted your schedule too much.

Mr. Meyers.

Just took a day out of my life, that is all.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay, fine.

Mr. Meyers.

I don't think I have left anything out of any consequence, actually. There is really nothing. I tried to think if there is anything that I could add to this and I can',t, other than, as I say, my own personal opinion of what the beck went on, this is beside the point, because it is all over and done with, more or less. That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

Thank you very much.

William Kline