Mr. Meyers.

don't remember exactly what he said, and I told him that I was undressed and in bed and I had no desire to get up and get dressed, that if he wanted to have a cup of coffee with me, come on down to the hotel or come up to my room. I would have some coffee sent up and we could visit. He said, no, he couldn't do that. He couldn't do that. I don't think he said why. I don't remember why. He said, I couldn't do. I said, all right, Jack, I have no plans for tomorrow evening. I said why don't you call me here about 6 o'clock and I said, we will have dinner together tomorrow night and he said fine and that is it.

Mr. Griffin.

I thought you mentioned earlier when he said no, he couldn't do that, he mentioned something about his having some business, some other things to do.

Mr. Meyers.

If he said it, I have no recollection.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he mention anything to you about having had a telephone can from one of his dancers who wanted to borrow some money?

Mr. Meyers.

Well, now, you see, here I am confused because I know that he sent this kid some money in Fort Worth. I read all about this. Now, whether he mentioned it to me or not, Mr. Griffin, I don't remember. He might have. He might not have. I don't know. But, you see, you must appreciate my position because it is difficult for me to disassociate what I have read ,from what actually happened. Now, I do know that he sent this kid, this pregnant kid, some money. I don't remember his mentioning it to me Saturday night. He might have. I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

In thinking back on his conversation, to what extent did his conversation focus on his competitors as opposed to the extent that it focused on "those poor people, those poor people"?

Mr. Meyers.

This is Saturday night you are talking about?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Meyers.

Well, you see, I don't think I have made myself very clear. When he talked to me Saturday night, he did mention the fact that these competitors were open Saturday night and he did mention the fact of how terrible it was because of a sign of disrespect to the President and the fact that this money hungry Jew did it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he use the phrase "money hungry Jew"?

Mr. Meyers.

Yes. He used that phrase to me many times. Whether he used it that night, you see, I can't be specific.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't want you to be if you can't be.

Mr. Meyers.

I can't be specific.

Mr. Griffin.

So you are not clear?

Mr. Meyers.

I am not specific. Let's say I am not factual on that. I am not exact.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Meyers.

Now, somewhere in this conversation he swung from his competitors to these poor people. Now, this could have been early in the conversation that I had with him that night or later in the conversation, in the same conversation, that is, and when he went from speaking directly about his competitors to these poor people, I still assumed he was speaking about his competitors. My belief since, of course, is that he was no longer speaking about his competitors. He was speaking about the Kennedy family.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this conversation a conversation in which Jack would pause frequently and you would say something or was it something which -

Mr. Meyers.

It was pretty much his conversation to me and me saying Jack, calm down, unwind, you know, get it off your mind, or something of this type.

Mr. Griffin.

Try to think about your side of the conversation and tell us what things you were saying to him ?

Mr. Meyers.

Well, actually, Mr. Griffin, I said very little to him other than to--I used the words, pacify him. He was obviously very upset, and again I thought he was upset because of his competition and he was upset obviously because of the assassination. My conversation to him--my words to him were nothing specific more than typical pacifying comment every now and then when he would let loose another tirade.