about 10, and I drove right back to the Cabana, and that could not have taken me over 15 minutes, and my brother and his wife then joined me, and this again I say is somewhere, 11-11:30, I don't know.
I just don't pay that much attention to time. Jack came in shortly after they did.

Mr. Griffin.

To try to fix the time that you were at the Carousel Club, try to think where you had diner, if you can, on that Thursday night, and how long it was from the time you had dinner until you went to the Carousel Club.

Mr. Meyers.

You know something, I haven't got the vaguest recollection of where I had dinner that night. I could have sat down in some real fine restaurant and had an excellent dinner. I could have stopped in some coffee-shop and had a sandwich and a cup of coffee. I haven't got the vaguest recollection. Did I tell the people from the FBI. If I did, then I possibly--possibly I remembered it a little better then.

Mr. Griffin.

No; you didn't.

Mr. Meyers.

I have no recollection of where I had dinner that night.

Mr. Griffin.

When Jack arrived at the Cabana, were your brother and his wife already there?

Mr. Meyers.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did anyone accompany Jack to the Cabana ?

Mr. Meyers.

No; well nobody accompanied Jack when he sat at the table with me. Now, I wouldn't know who he came out there with.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, try to tell us as best you can what happened from the time Ruby arrived at the Cabana until he left?

Mr. Meyers.

Well, really so very little. I introduced my brother and sister to him. We yakked about--I don't know anything that--I really couldn't tell you what we talked about. It was nothing that was consequential in any shape, manner, or form other than the fact he was interested--when I told him my brother was a Pepsi Cola distributor--would there be any way that Eddie could handle this twistboard of his as a premium with the Pepsi Cola operation which I, of course, said forget it--it just doesn't fit. It is just not that. It is not that kind of a thing.
What else did we talk about? I don't know. We could have talked about anything.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, earlier you were about to talk, before I cut you off, about

the conversation that had to do with the President's arrival in Dallas.

Mr. Meyers.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did that take place and what happened?

Mr. Meyers.

Well, at the table that evening, my brother and sister-in-law had never seen our plant in McKinney. McKinney is 30 miles north of Dallas. The airport, I assume and I could be a little wrong on mileage is about 10 or 12 miles in, more or less, the same direction from Dallas. I wanted my brother and his wife to see our plant. So they had reservations to leave Dallas on an 11 something flight that morning. I couldn't tell you exactly what the time was. I do know it was shortly before the President was due to arrive, because this, of course, was all published in the Dallas papers. So I said to Eddie, I said, "Eddie, why don't I pick you up tomorrow morning, you and Thelma, at the Adolphus, we will have breakfast. I will pick you up early, about 8 o'clock. We will have breakfast I will run you over to the plant. It won't take me more than an hour to get there. We will spend a half hour or so, and you can look it over, and I will bring you back to the-airport on my way back to Dallas."
So then the question came up, "Won't we get hungry up at the airport?" "No," I said, "we will get there before the President's plane is due to arrive, and I am not going to stay and watch the airplane come in, and I will drop you off and take off, and I should be out of the crowd before the crush or whatever is going to happen--you know--the mob of people going out to see him. this was arranged, and this was the only conversation about the President coming in.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack Ruby present during that conversation?

Mr. Meyers.

I "think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall his saying anything during that conversation?