Mr. Griffin.

Were you in Dallas at the time of any of the SMU games in the fall of 1963?

Mr. Meyers.

That is a hard thing to answer.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you attend any?

Mr. Meyers.

No, no; I have never gone to a football game in Dallas in my life.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have any recollection of being in Dallas between the time you gave Joy Dale the $200 check and the time that you saw Ruby on Thursday night? Mr. MEYERS. Here I have to answer you this way. I do not remember whether I was there or not in that--what would that be----about a 4-week period or something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Four to six weeks.

Mr. Meyers.

I don't remember. I can find out very easily, you know, my travel records, because I keep these things--tax structure--but I don't remember having been there. .It is possible I was.

Mr. Griffin.

Other than this conversation about Jada that may have occurred on Thursday night and the other things you have mentioned that occurred at the Carousel Club on Thursday night, is there anything else that took place at the Carousel Club Thursday night that you can recall.

Mr. Meyers.

Not that I can remember.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, when you left the Carousel Club, did you go directly to the Dallas Cabana?

Mr. Meyers.

I suppose so.

Mr. Griffin.

About how long after you left the Carousel Club did Ruby arrive at the Cabana?

Mr. Meyers.

I would say between 2 and 2 1/2 hours. Wait a minute. I got there--- I must have left Jack about 9:30. About 2 hours to 2 1/2 hours--give or take a few minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

When you were at the Carousel Club, do you recall if Jack had eaten dinner at that point?

Mr. Meyers.

I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall his mentioning to you about his sister's illness, or about the management of the Vegas Club, Thursday night?

Mr. Meyers.

Well, you mentioned the Vegas Club and you brought up another thing in my mind. Now, whether this happened that night or not--you must understand--I just don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

I realize that.

Mr. Meyers.

He was a little upset--it was either that night or possibly the time previous that I had seen him---of the fact that some hillbilly band that had been working at the Vegas Club who were evidently very successful, and a very good draw, were leaving. Some competitor, or somebody else, had offered them more money. I don't know what it was, but they were they had either left or they were leaving, and he was rather upset about this. He didn't say a word to me about his sister. As a matter of fact, I have never even met his sister.

Mr. Griffin.

To be specific, do you have any recollection that Jack told you that he was going to take one of his employees over to the Vegas Club to run the Vegas Club that evening, or that he had already done so? Mr. MEYERS. No; I have no recollection of this.

Mr. Griffin.

You indicated that you thought you were supposed to meet your brother at the Cabana about 11 ?

Mr. Meyers.

Roughly.

Mr. Griffin.

Could it have been as late as midnight? Mr. MEYERS. Very possibly.

Mr. Griffin.

Is it possible at the time that the lapse of time between your seeing Ruby at the Carousel and the time of your seeing him at the Cabana could have been as little as an hour?

Mr. MEYERS. No; I would almost swear that it would have to have been longer than that because I couldn't possibly have left--well, here again maybe I am nutty. I did. But I would--I would go on record that I didn't. I think I left there