Mr. Johnson.

Ivan spoke to him, and Charlie. Busby.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they speak in such a way as to indicate that they knew him, or simply they were replying to his remarks ?

Mr. Johnson.

They were replying to his remarks.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you gather anything from them at that time or later that

they knew him prior to that?

Mr. Johnson.

Negative.

Mr. Hubert.

Now did he show you a Polaroid photograph on that occasion?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What were they of; do you remember? Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us, please.

Mr. Johnson.

He indicated that he had just returned from the Dallas Morning News office and had discovered that there was no such person registered or had paid for the ad that we were discussing, and he had just returned from the Northwest Highway on Loop 12, is what I am trying to say, where he had taken some Polaroid pictures of a sign that was out there. As a matter of fact, he had taken two or three pictures. I can't remember whether it was two or three.

Mr. Hubert.

He indicated that he just returned from doing that?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir; that morning.

Mr. Hubert.

On that morning?

Mr. Johnson.

That morning; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

This was in the early afternoon; this meeting with him?

Mr. Johnson.

This was at that time about 2 o'clock, I would suggest.

Mr. Hubert.

He said that he had taken those pictures earlier that morning7

Mr. Johnson.

That is what he said; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Those pictures, I think, were pictures of a billboard calling for the impeachment of Earl Warren, the Chief Justice?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes; that is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his general mood or appearance? Was it that of excitement, or was he calm, or nervous, or overwrought, or what ?

Mr. Johnson.

That is like asking a hen in a henhouse would he want to lay or not. He was excited to the point of cursing a little.

Mr. Hubert.

What manifestation of excitement did he give?

Mr. Johnson.

To the point of being a b-o-r-e, bore. And we turned our conversation between the group of us to disregard him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he seem to make any connection between the shooting of the President to the Bernard Weissman ad and the impeach Earl Warren sign of which he had photographs? Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What connection did he make?

Mr. Johnson.

Well, he said, "We ought to shoot all them son-of-a-bitches."

Mr. Hubert.

Shoot who? Whom was he referring to when he said that, as much as you could gather?

Mr. Johnson.

Well, with a photograph in his hand, the one that he had taken with a Polaroid, as he showed them to us.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, he was referring to the people who were responsible for those ads and for posting that sign and for killing the President?

Mr. Johnson.

Say that again?

Mr. Hubert.

It was his remark that all of those people should be killed? Did that relate to the people that published the Bernard Weissman ad only, as much as you could tell?

Mr. Johnson.

As much as I could tell; no, sir. "We ought to kill the s.o.b.'s, Warren, and the people that Warren stands for," was his tenor.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you gathered from Ruby that he was in favor

of the poster which called for the impeachment of Earl Warren ?

Mr. Johnson.

No, sir; directly opposite.
Yes. Mr. HUBERT. He was in favor of?

Mr. Johnson.

Of shooting Warren; or impeaching Warren, or something.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I was trying to get out.