Mr. Jenkins.

the clock or at my watch until about the time we were ready to go home. It seems like it was 1:15 or 1:30.

Mr. Hubert.

You say when you went to get the Coffee it was after you had made the 5:30 check o.f time?

Mr. Jenkins.

Oh, yes; definitely.

Mr. Hubert.

How much after?

Mr. Jenkins.

That would be next to impossible to say. It could have been half an hour or 45 minutes, perhaps.

Mr. Hubert.

And it could have been as long as 2 hours afterward, which would have fixed the time of seeing Ruby at 7:30?

Mr. Jenkins.

Could have been; yes. I think it was before the 7:30 time, because it just seems like it was, as I remember, before the 7:30 check.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, it was sooner than 3 1/2 hours after you came on duty ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes; I would say that is a safe estimate.

Mr. Hubert.

So that really, the best you can do for us in between 5:30

and 7:30, but you feel fairly certain that those limits at least are accurate?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You say that Ruby was not carrying anything when you saw him at the first occasion; right?

Mr. Jenkins.

I don't recall him carrying anything at all. I don't remember anything in his hands, as a matter of fact.

Mr. Hubert.

Later that day you went to the press conference, whatever time that was?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When you were in the assembly room, did you see Jack Ruby in the assembly room ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When you saw Jack Ruby in the assembly room, did you have the

mental impression that you had seen that man earlier that day ?

Mr. Jenkins.

No; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

It was only later that you related the two occasions that you
saw the man you believed to be Jack Ruby ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir; that's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, when you saw Jack Ruby in the assembly room, you did not go through the mental process of saying, "Oh, this is the man I saw earlier" ?

Mr. Jenkins.

No; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he dressed differently at that time?

Mr. Jenkins.

The man I saw then had on what appeared to be a checked sportcoat.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have a hat?

Mr. Jenkins.

No that. I noticed he was rather light complexioned; and dark hair.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he do or say anything that directed your attention to him?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes. The exact words, I don't recall. I was stationed just inside the door behind the television camera, and this was in front of the cables and closer to the door than most of the newsmen, and I got there on purpose, because Pate and Kunkle were sitting on the floor directly in front of the desk where we figured Henry Wade was going to make his presentation, or whoever was going to speak about Oswald, and also was right in front of the lineup screen. So I stationed myself near the door so I could break first while they were getting tape recordings and interviews, whatever was necessary.
The room was not filled yet with newsmen, but that man whose remark caught my attention, was standing to my left and behind me on a table, and he had a small pad perhaps like a spiral pad in his hand, and there was a girl news cor-respondent--who she was or who she worked for, I don't know-but he said something to the effect that "Come on up here with me, it will be easier for you to see what is going on. Come on up here. There is room. You won't have to fight the crowd." Something to this effect. I can't give any direct quotes, because it was just something in passing, but I did notice him at the